Talk:152 mm gun-howitzer D-20

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On 23 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to M1955 gun-howitzer. The result of the discussion was Moved to 152 mm gun-howitzer D-20.

"152 mm has been a Russian calibre since World War I, when Britain supplied 6 inch Howitzers and Russia purchased 152 mm guns from Schneider (probably derived from the 155 mm Gun Mle 1877/16) for the Imperial Army.". This is very incorrect: 6-inch (152 mm) caliber was issued in Russian military as early as early 1870s with introducing of the first Russian rifled cannons, known as Model 1867. 6-inch guns were issued in the Army as seidge cannons and in Navy as the secondary guns for capital ships and main guns for cruisers. I cannot find an article in Wikipedia about Model 1867 guns but there is a mention in Breechloader: "The M1867 naval guns produced in Imperial Russia[23] at the Obukhov State Plant used Krupp technology." Later, 6-inch caliber was introduced in Model 1877 Army and Navy guns, and in 152 mm 45 caliber Pattern 1892. So the statement that 6-inch caliber was introduced in Russia only in WW1 is very, very incorrect. Please correct it. Thanks a lot! With best wishes, Gr.M. --176.193.81.90 (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In 1907 Schneider and the Russian Govt signed an agreement that Schneider would design and build prototypes of certain types of artillery pieces with a view to producing these guns in Russia. One of these types was a 152mm Siege Gun to replace older types in service with the Russian Army which did not have modern recoil absorption and recuperation. Schneider produced a prototype 152mm gun in 1910 based on a design for a 150mm for the Spanish Army and after testing by Schneider in France was sent to Russia for further tests. The gun was accepted as the 152mm Siege Gun Model 1910 and was produced at Putilov's St. Petersburg works.

Peloux, "Matériels de Campagne et de Siège à Tir Rapide de Gros Calibres, Titre III. Canons Longe de Siege Système Schneider", Revue d'Artillerie, 80, Avr-Sep 1912, pp.118 - 130 (from http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k64702869) http://milday.ru/ussr/ussr-army/urrs-artillery/771-152-mm-osadnaya-pushka-obrazca-1910-goda.html (Russian) http://ww1.milua.org/R152osad.htm (Russian) http://landships.info/landships/artillery_articles.html?load=artillery_articles/152_Putilov_M10.html

The Schneider Canon de 155 L Mle 1877/1914 was a gun born out of panic when the French Army realised that they were likely to be in a war with no modern heavy artillery. The Schneider gun used the barrel from the old Canon de 155 Mle 1877 de Bange gun married to a carriage with hydraulic recoil absorption and pneumatic recuperation that Schneider had developed for a 150mm gun that Schneider had prototyped for the Spanish Army. The deal with Spain never eventuated.

François Vauvillier & Pierre Touzin "Les Canons de la Victoire 1914-1918 Tome 1", Historie & Collections, 2006, p.53 François Vauvillier "Le 155 Long Modele 1877-1914 sur affût Schneider", Histoire de Guerre, Blindés et Matériel, No.83, Jun-Jul 2008, pp.46-51 http://landships.info/landships/artillery_articles.html?load=/landships/artillery_articles/Canon_155_Mle_1877_1914_Schneider.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlie Landships (talk • contribs) 11:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a citation to the header, "Ammunition". it now references an article where the information is similar. Everything Checks Out, and I don't want to remove the tag just yet, as my citation might have a few problems. Fetviper8 (talk) 03:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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