Talk:4M (artillery)
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Is 4M the mount or the vehicle?
The description of the 4M at the top of the article suggests that the "4M" designation refers to a GAZ-AAA with a quad maxim anti-air mount. I'm very sure that 4M refers just to the anti-air mount and not the combination of the vehicle and the mount. Airborne24 (talk) 03:30, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Kinda both? Basically the 4M ZPU was the quad mount. Once it was stuck on the GAZ that became the 4M AA, thus 4M (artillery). It's common with the earlier days of such vehicles, especially (it seems) in the Soviet Union, where, instead of a purpose built vehicle named something like ABCD-9 AAA or the Bishop, you get "hey let's put these guns on a truck" and bam, now you have a mobile AA platform. Do this several times, develop drawings and standard mounts, and it becomes a regulation weapon. Tengu99 (talk) 01:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- I see, thanks for the explanation. Airborne24 (talk) 00:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Certainly! I do have to note that I'm not an expert, so what I wrote above about the early days of vehicle mounted weaponry is just a general observation. It may be more accurate to place the info in the 4M article into the GAZ truck article, Maxim article and DSHk article since the ZPU/GAZ combo might not have had an official name/designation. I simply don't have enough info right now other than what is there, I'm afraid. I wouldn't have known about it if someone hadn't put 4M Artillery into the List of interwar armoured fighting vehicles. Tengu99 (talk) 04:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- I see, thanks for the explanation. Airborne24 (talk) 00:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)