Talk:Advent Sunday

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In informing us of the date of Advent Sunday, this article could say that Advent Sunday is the nearest Sunday to December 1. Vorbee (talk) 09:08, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is not always true e.g. in 2016. Lessogg (talk) 10:16, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is four Sundays before Christmas Day. I don't know of another, more accurate way to calculate it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above comments about it not always being the nearest Sunday to December the First are quite true. The day I type these words (November 27 2022) is Advent Sunday 2022. There are three clear days begin this date and December 1 2022, but only two clear days between Dec- ember 4 and December 1. As Walter Gorlitz has said, it is four Sundays before Christmas, which this year falls on a Sunday. YTKJ (talk) 19:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndrewNJ: What evidence do you have that this is a more precise name? OED calls it "Advent Sunday" as does A Catholic Dictionary. The other sources don't use that term, nor do they use the term you've landed on. There are no sources with the new destination. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The OED notes that the term can also refer to 'each of the Sundays in Advent', and the quotations they give show an ongoing historical confusion over whether 'Advent Sunday' refers to a specific Sunday or is a general term for Advent. Hence my move, but feel free to revert if you think it's unnecessary. --AndrewNJ (talk) 08:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No need to revert, but I did want a rationale for the move on-record in case someone asks later. Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:26, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to it as "First Sunday in Advent" (or is it "..of Advent"?)tends to put it on a par with the remaining three Sundays. Advent Sunday is more significant than the rest (they don't have their own articles here, for example). My preference would be "Advent Sunday", but let's see if anyone else joins the discussion. Arcturus (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it back. Please discuss this before making such a move. --evrik ^(talk) 04:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: I actually agree with the move to First Sunday in Advent as that is what I heard when attending the Lutheran church in Canada. I cannot recall what I heard from my Anglican friends. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Each Sunday in Advent has a name. Propose the move and we can discuss it. --evrik ^(talk) 17:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not Advent Sunday, but first Sunday of Advent. The fact that it is the only Sunday of Advent to have its own W article is circular. Also, the article refers to a wreath, and the majority of churches using purple candles. the image has neither a wreath nor a purple candle. It does not illustrate the article nor help in comprehension.142.163.195.114 (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under "Background", the following text on some "non-Roman" rites is given:

In the Ambrosian Rite and the Mozarabic Rite, the First Sunday in Advent comes two weeks earlier than in the Roman, being on the Sunday after St. Martin's Day (11 November), six weeks before Christmas.

However, these two qualifications do not fit with each other. This year, 2023 C.E., "two weeks earlier than in the Roman" would give Sunday, 19 November as their "First Sunday in Advent", but "the Sunday after St. Martin's Day (11 November)" would give Sunday, 12 November instead. This "problem" will occur any year when 11 November is a Saturday. If someone does know how this (apparent?) contradiction can be resolved, please make the appropriate changes to the text. /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden) 130.241.158.202 (talk) 10:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]