Talk:Antonov An-70

Antonov An-70 has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: October 6, 2017. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Antonov An-70 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 October 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that the Antonov An-70 (pictured) was the first aircraft to take flight powered only by propfans? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Antonov An-70.

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I propose that

• Don't merge - Since no reasons for merger were given, here are all reasons the article should be allowed to stand alone IMHO. The aircraft is one of two ever built, and initially was determined to be a total loss. In order to save the 5 billion dollar AN-70 project it was decided to return prototype 2 to flying status with GREAT effort and cost. This was a high-profile project at the time with much infighting among the program participants This article is about the 2nd prototype's crash, there is a separate article about crash of the first one 6 years earlier
  2001 Antonov An-70 Crash is too large and unwieldy to be merged into the Antonov An-70 article. Samf4u 16:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply
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Some discussion is needed on the topic of Antonov's bankruptcy, especially as documented by reliable sources. Antonov has been merged into Ukraine's UKROBORONPROM State Concern and production of all aircraft by Antonov, including the disaster-prone An-70, has ended. Russia's Ilyushin (VORONEZH Aircraft Production Association), which produced 70% of the 148 before Antonov's bankruptcy, has taken over production of the An-148 and has been the de facto sole-source of the 148 for the last 2 years. As can be expected, there will be hot feelings over this topic, and even some denial, but discussion is still needed to ensure that the information is properly documented. Santamoly (talk) 21:50, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No discussion is needed in an individual aircraft article, take it to the company article. As Bill indicated in his edit summaries, it's not as clear as you make it sound. Certainly not worth adding to every single Antonov aircraft article. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It doesn't matter to me where it's discussed as long as it's not buried. I just sprinkled it around a bit because someone was determined to stifle discussion and was deleting any mention of it, denying that sources were reliable, etc. Note that I'm not saying it's so clear, rather I said "discussion is still needed to ensure that the information is properly documented". Santamoly (talk) 10:18, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If someone proficient in the languages could translate the titles of the foreign language sources (Russian and German) that would be good. Scotteaton92 (talk) 18:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has issues. The narrative jumps around and presents events out of sequence, and isn't consistent. For example, it is stated that the project is dead, but later production is going to resume. I don't have sufficient knowledge or experience to rewrite it, but can it be flagged as needing improvement?Marzolian (talk) 22:44, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Antonov is based in Ukraine. --Io Herodotus (talk) 04:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is but when the An-70 was designed it was part of the Soviet Union. MilborneOne (talk) 08:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The category "Russian military transport aircraft 2000–2009" is probably inappropriate however, as i) we categorise by first flight date, and ii) Antonov was definitely not Russian.Nigel Ish (talk) 08:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct I missed that, I have removed it. MilborneOne (talk) 08:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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You're alright. I was just waiting for the article to settle anyway after having added more content. Thank you for taking this on. Regards, --Sp33dyphil (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: - have you lost track of this review? Parsecboy (talk) 19:28, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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No problem, I was looking at clearing out some of the older reviews at GAN, and saw you might need a reminder here :) Parsecboy (talk) 02:05, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Lead and infobox; all good
• Section 1;
  • Link An-12 twin-engine turboprop aircraft
    • Done. --Sp33dyphil (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Soviet Armed Forces
    • Done. --Sp33dyphil (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • DASA depended on data provided by Antonov and was not able to test-fly the aircraft themselves; what is the reason?
    • I couldn't find the reason for this, so it's been reworded. --Sp33dyphil (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • repaired it in record time; how much?
    • Removed claim. --Sp33dyphil (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Section 2, 3, 4, 5; All good. A very well written article, just a few corrections.

Regards,

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (

   lists

   ):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (

   reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism

   ):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Sorry for the delay. G'work.Regards,

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Hello. Does anybody have a photo that shows the aircraft in-flight and facing left towards the text? There's File:Antonov An-70, Antonov Design Bureau AN2232181.jpg but it doesn't seem very clear. Regards, --Sp33dyphil (talk) 01:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]