Talk:Bani Utbah

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Hi Alutubi, I understand your reasoning. But as I have mentioned before, your claims may be true but they are YOUR claims and do not belong on Wikipedia until they are published somewhere else first. You have taken several primary sources and made your own conclusion, which may or may not be a correct interpretation, but nonetheless violates Wikipedia's policy of

To the extent that part of an article relies on a primary source, it should:

• only make descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and applicability of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and
• make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about the information found in the primary source.

Furthermore, many of your primary sources are not even verifiable, especially the scanned documents published on the websites such a this one: [1]. How do we know that the document is authentic and has not been doctored? Has it been published elsewhere? Does it even exist in the private library of Shaikh Salama bin Saif? If we can not verify this then the document can not be accepted. (See

For these reasons I will remove your edits. Please don't take it personally.

--Arabbi (talk) 16:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's it mean, "Utbah is the great-grandfather of the Bani Utbah, which is a section of Khafaf, from Bani Sulaim bin Mansoor from Mudhar from Adnan" ?

• "Utbah is the great-grandfather of the Bani Utbah" : like, "Joe is the father of the Johnsons" ?
• "from Bani Sulaim bin Mansoor from Mudhar from Adnan" : when i read a "from", i expect to run into a following "to".

--Jerome Potts (talk) 01:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]