Talk:Bar

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. In order to have a primary topic, the drinking establishment would need to be "much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined" for readers to be searching for. Most commentators here believe that this has not been shown. Disputes about the correct disambiguator of Bar (establishment) could be addressed by another RM. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Bar (disambiguation) → Bar
• Bar → Bar (establishment)

– No primary topic for Bar(s) by either criteria. In terms of usage the drinking establishment gets 11,793 views but

• Support moving the disambiguation page, as there is no primary topic. I have no better suggestion for the title of the drinking establishment article, and no objection to either (establishment) or (drinking establishment). I'm slightly less happy about, but not strongly opposed to, (business). Cnilep (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nomination and Cnilep.
  WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose. The article refers to a bar as "a long raised narrow table or bench designed for dispensing beer or other alcoholic drinks" rather than a type of business. WaddlesJP13 (talk) 07:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Well the 1st proposed title is establishment (the former title before 2016) not business but I have no strong opinion on the qualifier just that there isn't a primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. No primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The nom's page view analysis was over 2 weeks (13/03/2021 - 02/04/2021). A longer-term view over "all time" (actually 01/07/2015 - 02/04/2021) [2] shows a very different story. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  @Shhhnotsoloud: well if you look at this[[3]] over all time (which only shows the establishment and unit) shows that in the last 6 years the unit has had more pageviews for around 4 of those 5 years (ignoring the 1st since that's before the move to the base name) but for some reason there was a spike in mid 2018 and in 2019 including a time when it got over 25,000 views. Looking though the history I can't see any pagemoves after the January 2016 one when the establishment was moved to the basename that otherwise may have caused the views to be shifted. Unless we can answer why there were spikes I think we can overall assume that there's no primary topic by usage as well as long-term significance. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:19, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]