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On Polish names

I don't see any reason to use the Polish names here, because Baranovichi is simply not a Polish city. Poland held it for a period of time, but those times have gone long ago. That's equally silly, as if somebody tried to convert the Wikipedia article of

Bialystok to Belostok, just because it once belonged to the Russian Empire. Voyevoda 23:29, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
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With the exception that your blind revert crusade also tries to erase the mention of the facts that:
  1. The town was built by Poles and under the Polish name
  2. It was annexed in the effect of the Partitions of Poland
  3. Polish Defensive War
    seems a much better name
  4. 1939 was the first moment when the name of Baranovichi became anyhow official, even if we include the tsarist times
  5. Also, you delete a perfectly valid external link and a wiki link.
May I ask what is the purpose of that? I understand you have some issues, but please explain them before you blind-revert. Halibutt 23:44, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Poles founded it? So what? Paris was founded not by the French and not under its modern name. Shall we change its Wikipedia article into its original name which is 2000 years old?

If you want to mention some historical aspects, nobody hinders you. But don't forget to mention that Poles founded this town on the occupied Rus territory where they never before formed a majority or had any right on it. They annexed this territory exploiting the weakness of Rus after Mongol invasion and brutally polonized it.

The names have to be written in the language of their actual possessor. Voyevoda August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Then why did Ghirla move it to the Russian name? Some case in
Wikipedia:POINT? This needs to be immediately moved. Truthseeker 85.5 10:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the debate was no consensus for move. Joelito (talk) 16:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Baranovichi → Baranavichy – As is clear from the first sentence, the city's name is Baranavichy, therefore the article name is misleading, as it is the Russian name for the city. It was moved under the dubious justification of it being its traditional name (by a person from Russia, without any discussion). --Original listing by Truthseeker 85.5, this discussion section added by SigPig 19:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below, and per

WP:COMMONNAME. -GTBacchus(talk) 01:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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Baranovichi → Baranavichy — according to BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian mdash; original nominator unknown, discussion space added by SigPig |SEND - OVER 19:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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  1. Oppose. Baranovichi is more common on English sites, including Britannica, Columbia, and the Belarusian Embassy in Washington. Even Belarusian sites (.by domain) show a staggering preference for Baranovichi. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 19:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. Except in atlases (which tend to preserve local forms), English publications overwhelmingly use Baranovichi. -
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  • Searching for Baranovichi: 144 books in English.
  • Searching for Baranavichy: 46 books in English (almost all atlases and travel guides).

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Encyclopedia "Вялікае Княства Літоўскае", Volume 2 (

ISBN 978-985-11-0394-8
), page 330 says:

Мышскі езуіцкі калегіум


... Існаваў у в.Новая Мыш Новагародскага пав. (цяпер Баранавіцкі р-н) у 1667-93. Заснаваў кашталян новагародскі М.У. Юдыцкі, які запісаў калегіуму 105 тыс. злотых на маёнтках Баранавічы, Дамашэвічы, Старая Мыш, Сухарэльшчына, Чашэўля, Чэрніхава. Езуіты трымалі місіі ў Баранавічах і Чэрніхаве.

...

Jesuit collegium in Myš (Article by Valeryj Pazdniakoŭ)
... It existed in the village of Novaja Myš, Nowogródek county (now in Baranavičy Raion) in 1667-93. It was founded by

złoty to collegium within Baranavičy, Damaševičy, Staraja Myš, Sucharelščyna, Čašeŭla, Černichava estates. The Jesuits
kept their missions in Baranavičy and Černichava. ...

There is also infomation about the mention of Baranavichy in the testament of

Adam Hieronim Sieniawski. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp kenny (talk • contribs) 15:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply
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