Talk:Cademuir International School

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I think this might be a hoax, Google reveals nothing as far as the first few results go and nothing about it closing is on its official page. --WikiSlasher 10:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been restubbed with the removal of the unsourced material. Yamaguchi先生 21:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This information is 100 percent genuine, as you can now see from the sources I have added. If you consider that it is insufficiently referenced, I would be glad to furnish you with more references, however please do not delete this as that amounts to vandalism and censorship. It is one of the main benefits of Wikipedia that people can openly and freely make things public as long as they are verifiably true, and it is greatly offensive to the victims of these crimes that you should choose to aide and abet them by helping to keep this information out of the public domain. a little respect is called for here. As I say, if you require further evidence, or a change in tone, please say as much but do not needlessly vandalise my contribution.

As you can clearly see, I have provided a great deal of evidence here. If you know a way to attach the articles as links instead, please tell me how to do that. However please do not remove the information here just like that, as that would amount to vandalism. this information is in the public interest so please can we compromise here, any change of tone or more references being added is not problem to me but please do not be so disrespetful to just delete it all. —The preceding

Tom, there are serious problems with what you are trying to introduce here. You can't editorialise and your negative information needs to be balanced and properly referenced with reliable sources per

Talk) 17:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Lol I didn't see this note before, WikiSlasher ;-) anyway, I tried to make a submission to RfC in the past (some months ago), but it got archived by a bot without having a response. RfC is just ineffective... --Lazer erazer (talk) 16:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to do a major rewrite of the whole article so please do not interfere now, once I finished, I will replace the original. Feel free to contribute right here or take a look at the scrap page in my sandbox. Later, I'm going to add some votes here to ask you whether or not to apply facts (or hoaxes?) to this text to keep it from stubbing...Lazer erazer 14:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look forward to it. --

Guinnog 14:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply

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I just added the school template which I thought to be semi-final. More to come Lazer erazer 17:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the edit notes you made you said "For over 15 years Cademuir has been the secret best school for gifted children, especially ADS, ADHS, Dyslexia and Asperger's Syndrome." This makes it sound like those disorders are gifts. --WikiSlasher 08:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've read somewhere (I'll get the source!) that most german students have an IQ far higher than 130 but have disabilities in psychical social behaviour. It said that school is designed to promote students in areas where they feel confident while supporting them in areas where they show less confidence. --Lazer erazer 09:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But should it not read "...best school for gifted children, especially those with ADS, ADHS..." --WikiSlasher 10:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

difficult to explain, the intention of this one: Disabilities in this case mean that those children would have difficulties on some (public) schools (f.e. ADHS making them

hyperactive

so teachers become annoyed) - but by no means it means that they are not intelligent.

Didn't say they were, in fact from that they must be intelligent because they are gifted. I don't mean to give the impression that they're not intelligent but ADHS doesn't make them more gifted, although it doesn't make them less gifted either. Anyway I think we agree and the phrase has been removed, it was a minor grammatical problem I was havng an issue with. Cheers, --WikiSlasher 10:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thank you for telling me this, now I spotted the mistake as well, just never noticed it was there... I'm still heavilly copying and pasting sources, erasing and rewriting paragraphs and stacking them into the outline I have made on my scrap page. --Lazer erazer 11:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Usage about how to get these icons ;)

"Due to serious and prolonged fraudulent financial mismanagment, the school has now ... been forced to close recently."

• Keep - I've heard of parents that have never been warned about the financial problems Cademuir already had since 2002. Government reports prove those problems. --Lazer

"...the school has now to the relief of many concerned, been forced to close recently."

• Keep - Parents had been asked lately to pay their fees in advance to help the continuance of the school whereas the School was already about to close --Lazer

"This is a time for much celebration, as although nothing can take away the damage inflicted on many of their victims, whose lives have been permanantly affected by their crimes, the Mulvey family are, hopefully, at last now prevented from harming any more young children, and that is something we can all be grateful for."

• Oppose - non-neutral tone; also I never heard of any psychical damage to children. --Lazer
• Info:Mr Mulvay phoned us asking to participate on a new school he is about to found. --Lazer
• Suggestion: "More and more students and teachers left school and Cademuir slipped into a big financial problem. The low reputation towards most advertising organizations could not bring enough new students when the graduates left. With only 34 students left and less than 30 teachers, the economical situation was catastrophic until Mulvay closed down the school on 22 July."

"The school was created with the purpose of exploiting already vulnerable children in order to profit financially."

• Oppose - The school has high-skilled and famous graduates from the past, we cannot say that it was a bad school. Actually it was really the best school in the first 5 years, but never created to provit financially. --Lazer

"Children were appaulingly mistreated, ..."

• Oppose - references? --Lazer

Helen Mulvey bit my nose and Mrs. slapped my face

"every HMI report highlighted concerns about student welfare"

• Comment - There are several reports critizising things like fire alert, electrical security or lack of CCTV against robbery from inside and outside, but many of these things have been fixed during the years. These reports do not critizise any treatments of students. Yet their job is still to look after the students. --Lazer

"The mistreatment taking place consisted of numerous instances of psychological and physical abuse, leaving a string of dissaffected former pupils, the school having one of the highest turnover rates of any schools in the country, as pupils realised the nature of their enviroment. some examples of abuse include, but are in no way limited to, physical assault by staff members, sexual student teacher relations, extreme psychological abuse over long periods of time, arbitrary summary punishments, and the covering up and even encouragment of numerous instances of psychological, physical and sexual abuse between pupils."

• Strongly oppose - references? In general I would also never include such information into the Wikipedia article. --Lazer

Comment Regardless of the outcome of this "vote", any information added to this article will have to satisfy both

• I have fixed it this morning and forgot to put the change onto the main page. That has now been done with all the other changes (give me time to check your help pages now ;) Please also give me time over-editing the article to confirm the verifiability of all the information I added. A few sources I might find tomorrow but it is already late ... --Lazer erazer 22:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If and when you find sources, would be the best time to add the info. Please refer also to our policy on
    Guinnog 22:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
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    • okay then sorry for the trouble I caused... I tried to write detailled information about the school. And it should not be kept as a secret that I have been student there. Maybe I can find some other students who can add information or even agree or disagree to these phrases (some students who attended it for a longer time) - please do me a favour and remove the inuse again because i have to go quickly; good night! --Lazer erazer 22:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Miserable abuse evil family physical & mental cruelty. cold rooms while Mulvey's heat blasted out their Quarter.s Children not allowed to use the public phone on the premises. self explanatory. I heard put girl wet pants on her head she wet herself in fear. pupils witnessed it. SOUNDS PLAUSABLE TO ME, WHAT WAS SAID.

    Another force fed. another Mr Mulvey ordered child to be beaten up LOST HIS SPEECH IN FEAR. APPEARS PARENTS ASKED QUESTIONS MORALITY OF SCHOOL. STUDENT TEACHERS MANY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE MULVEYS two children attempted suicide. maybe hushed up. Mr Mulvey one qualification language helen nun till she got an art qualification daughter just as bad. HOW DELUTIONAL THINK THE MULVEY'S COULD START AGAIN BE IN CONTROL OF MORE CHILDREN. HEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN JAIL. PARENTS NOTICED THEIR CHILD WAS ABSENT FROM MANY LESSON FOR NO REASON. 77.97.243.209 (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't cause any trouble, and I appreciate your trouble in trying to make the article better. But we need to make sure that anything we publish has been previously published in a reputable journal or website. If you read the policies I mentioned it should make things clear I hope. All the best, --

Guinnog 22:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply

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[caught in edit conflict with guinnog] This is a common problem on wikipedia. Many people know a lot about some places and wish to add their perspective. The problem is that if such information cannot be confirmed it is not appropriate for an article. This brings up the dilema that these articles do not present the truth, but the verifiable truth. Invariably this needs to come from independent sources such as published books, newspapers and government documents. If you can document your claims then they will be welcomed here. Obviously this can be frustrating if you know something to be true but cannot find verification that will stand up to the standards expected in an encyclopedia. If you think about it, however, it is clear that this level of scrutiny is necessary otherwise there would be too many half truths here.

David D. (Talk) 22:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Hi David agreed, withe above that was me. much is verbal But Abuse "positive" happened. Student teachers disliked the Mulvies, when 6 months over they left. When Parents went for an interview with Robert Mulvey he organised for his phone to ring, he spoke in French so charming to the person on other end of phone, a couple of minuets. Pupils discovered, the same pattern with their parents. An impressive plan. Pupils stated the daughter use to use bad language to them. Sounds plausible. much 2nd hand items & furniture given to school. When a child left Cademuir their bedding & other items could not be found, nor returned to parents, who bought them for their children. Yet their names often in LARGE WRITING on most items. One has to look at the Mulvey's contracts & Civil Law, judicial Morally wrong, act Dates, important legal doc, licences. injury insurance, loss of personal items, e.g. equity & dilict of law. 77.97.243.209 (talk) 10:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lazerserver.la.ohost.de/nmp.php?id=214d7dcc553cde6a7ece2c5866bcec10 is on the

This certain link has been used

303 redirect to there. In case it is absolutely forbidden to link to that host, I can also put some of my environments onto different servers or even mirror them. The only thing is that that traffic

might cost.

Local Authority     Dumfries & Galloway
Seed Code(?)        5680239
School Name         Cademuir International School
School Funding Type Independent
Address 1           Crawfordton House
Address 2           Moniaive
Post code 1         DG3
Post Code 2         4HG
Phone               01848 200212
Fax                 01848 200336
E-mail              [email protected]
Web address         www.cademuir.com
School type         Pre school, Primary & Secondary 

Secondary Pupil rolls:

        Sep 2005  Sep 2004  Sep 2003  Sep 2002
 Total    34        43        55        50
  S1                 5
  S3                 9        10         9
  S4       6                  11        11
  S5      15         9        14        18
  S6       5        12        14         7

Secondary Teacher numbers (FTE)

  Sep 2005      13.0
  Sep 2004      14.3
  Sep 2003      14.8
  Sep 2002

Location            Remote Rural
Denomination        Non-denominational