Talk:Celtics–Lakers rivalry

Page contents not supported in other languages.
Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Former good article nomineeCeltics–Lakers rivalry was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 29, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed
September 27, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2020 and 13 March 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): GreysonAE.

Above undated message substituted from

talk) 17:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Opening Paragraphs Grammar Edit Suggested

The last section of the opening paragraph reads quite poorly. May I suggest the following edit?

"The rivalry had been less intense since the retirements of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson in the early 1990s. In 2008 the two teams met in the NBA Finals for the first time since 1987, with the Celtics winning the series 4–2. They met again in the 2010 NBA Finals, which the Lakers won in 7 games."

If no one disputes this change, I will make the change. Mannan369 (talk) 21:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Celtics-Lakers or Lakers-Celtics?

Celtics-Lakers would make sense if you conisider the current and overall head-to-head record between the clubs. Most other rivalries usually place the leading team first. Lakers-Celtics works for geographical afficiandos due to the West-East allignment. (The

2008 NBA Playoffs "There Can Only Be One" commercial featuring Magic and Larry
have Magic on the left and Larry on the right.)

Of course, this might be one rivalry in which both work equally well.

DaDoc540 (talk) 04:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMO it should be Celtics-Lakers per the alphabet. – X96lee15 (talk) 02:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Russell v. Wilt?

If I'm not mistaken, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't on the Laker teams of the 60's - he was traded to the Lakers around 1970 I believe. Thus, Wilt never battled Russell during the Lakers-Celtics finals of the 60's. During the 60's, Wilt played Russell when he was with the Philadelphia Warriors. I'll fix this now, but correct me if I'm wrong. --Jsol5 10:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chamberlain became a Laker in 1968 and was defeated by Bill Russell (in his last season) and the Celtics. Some controversy in the game damaged their friendship, as well. 71.115.225.150 (talk) 03:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Celtics, Lakers both attempt to trade for Garnett, Celtics succeed

I know that this seems like a trifle, but as both teams are trying to become competetive again, they both went for the same superstar Kevin Garnett. After initially declining the idea of Boston, Garnett became interested when Ray Allen was traded from Seattle to the Celtics. Kobe Bryant was adamantly for the Lakers trying to acquire KG, but a potential deal bottomed out and the Celtics achieved a trade instead. How far the Celtics will go with their new trio of all-stars remains to be seen, but the Celtics won this battle, for now.

DaDoc540 01:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update: The Lakers acquired Pau Gasol from the Grizzlies, but the Celtics won the NBA Finals against them. The two teams are now among the top three (along with the Cavs!) and are likely to face each other, as challengers besides Cleveland have not achieved the level of success of either storied team.

DaDoc540 (talk) 04:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kobe Vs Pierce

I think that the Kobe vs Pierce blurb should be taken out, or something more appropriate should be put down. Like LA Big 3 vs Boston Big 3. Because it would be disputed that it is Kobe vs Pierce. It would make more sense in my mind if it was Kobe vs KG, the DPOY and the MVP. KellanFabjance (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned on the Onion

Here come vandals, whee! -- 66.91.220.62 (talk) 06:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LA Times article

Good article in today's LA Times [1] if anyone feels like incorporating some of that here.

chat} 21:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply
]

Image copyright problem with File:CelticsLogo.png

The image

requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation
linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

The following images also have this problem:

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --12:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 24.171.137.13, 16 June 2010

{{

editsemiprotected
}} its 3 -3 now

24.171.137.13 (talk) 04:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Until we have a
source
, and we will make the change.
 Not done Avicennasis tb? @ 04:25, 4 Tamuz 5770 / 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 Done Lakers rout Celts, force Game 7 in NBA finals ----moreno oso (talk) 04:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Problem

I have put some effort the past month into improving this article, including broadening its scope to encompass the rich history of this rivalry, reorganizing sections for clarity and readability, and adding citations. I hope these changes will be considered an improvement.

However, there appears to be a problem that I cannot resolve, so I'm asking other editors for help. When I type "celtics-lakers rivalry" into the Wikipedia search bar, punctuated exactly like that except with no quotation marks, it seems to redirect to an old version of the page. I can't figure out why. Has anyone else had this problem and do they know how to resolve it? Thanks. TempDog123 (talk) 19:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review is
transcluded from Talk:Celtics–Lakers rivalry/GA2
. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aircorn (talk • contribs • count) 08:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have started reviewing this article and have some concerns over criteria 1a. While the grammor is generally good I feel there are too many

WP:Peacock
terms. Words like great, storied, grueling, infamously, famously, iconic etc should be avoided. There also is some editorialising which is a form of original research. I have reviewed the prose up to the Lull and rebuilding section. I will stop for now to give you a chance to respond.

Review

here
for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (
    lists
    )    :
    The biggest issue is the use of too many
    WP:Peacock
    words to describe players and events. Words like greatest, iconic, legendary etc shouldn't really be used unless they are attributed to someone. Some of the prose could be tightened up, abbreviations spelt out and some of the tense seems wrong. I have left examples for the first third of the article.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to
    reliable sources): c (OR
    ):
    References seem reliable enough for the topic. There is a bit of editorialising with the wording, which has lead to the introduction of some original research.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    It does go into a bit of unnecessary detail. It mentions players that joined with the team, but doesn't really elaborate on why that was important to the rivalry. For example They would not make it to the Finals again in this decade, but in 1975 they acquired Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Abul-Jabbar is not mentione until the finals section). I feel the finals summaries are pushing the focused barrier too. There is a lot of repetition with the History section. They go into a lot of detail about each series and have significantly increased the size of the article. I am not sure I would fail on this, but would need a good explanation of why it is set out this way. Personally I would consider doing away with the History header and make each Sub header under it a level two heading. I would then add the finals detail in a subsection under each appropriate heading. That would allow for some of the repetitive prose to be trimmed and make reading it more chronological.
  4. It follows the
    neutral point of view
    policy    .
    Fair representation without bias:
    Guessing a Lakers fan after reading this, but they have tried hard to even out the information for both teams. Could do with a little bit more weight to the Celtics, but not enough to fail on.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    Fine
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have
    suitable captions
    )    :
    I am not convinced with the license for the photos from Steve Lipofsky. It would be good to see a link detailing that they are free and available to use.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments

  • To date, Boston has won nine and L.A. three (with the Celtics having won the first eight). Would spell out L.A. Would avoid "to date".
  • During the first decade of the NBA in the 1950s, the Minneapolis Lakers had the first NBA dynasty Bit of an awkward sentence here. "First decade in the 1950s".
  • Minneapolis would win the Wrong tense
  • three BAA Finals were played between What is BAA?
  • Under Hall of Fame head coach John Kundla Coach of the Hall of Fame?
  • with the NBA's first superstar in George Mikan Can't find this in the cite
  • The Celtics would emerge behind early NBA star Bob Cousy by winning the 1957 NBA Finals and losing in 1958. I am not sure emerge behind is correct in this context.
  • This would mark the first Tense
  • It was after this move, and during this decade, that the rivalry would truly escalate. Reference
  • featuring greats such Greats is a
    WP:Peacock
    term.
  • and coach/GM What is GM? Should avoid using slashes
  • Three of those series (1962, 1966, and 1969) have gone seven games. Gone to seven games?
  • but it was small consolation in a decade where the Lakers went without a championship, every one of their Finals' losses in that decade coming at the hands of the Celtics Little bit of editorialising in this paragraph. "Small consolation" "dramatic" "infamous prediction"
  • They would not make it to the Finals again in this decade, but in 1975 they acquired Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ????????
  • The Celtics won the NBA Finals in 1974, and won again in 1976 but of redundancy. Would remove "and won again".
  • rivalry of the 1980s was actually laid down "actually" is not really encyclopedic. Needs a reference
  • In what was the most-watched college basketball game ever, Have to be careful as a more watched one could appear. Better to say was still the most watched college basketball game in 2008.
  • The final game of that series is memorable to the rivalry because Boston fans chanted for the 76ers, who were just about to eliminate their Celtics, to "Beat L.A.!" Would just say that they chanted "Beat L.A" not that it is memorable for it.
  • Some more editorialising
    • long-awaited rematch
    • finally had their revenge
  • In the 1987 NBA Finals, the two teams met for a tie-breaker of their 1980s Finals matches, I don't understand this. What is meant by tie-breaker.

Nominator no longer has time to spend on this so I am going to leave the review here. I hope someone can use the comments to improve it in the future. AIRcorn (talk) 08:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rivalry Outside of Basketball

Some of the rivalry articles I have helped edit in the baseball realm have sections about how the rivalry is mentioned outside of the actual teams. Examples include the 2008 Republican Presidential debates with Rudy Guiliani rooting for the Red Sox in the 2007 World Series despite being a die hard Yankee fan. I think something like this should be explored by the editors of this article and mention the Maria Menounos comment about how she and Dane Cook had their seats removed during the 2010 Finals because of Jack Nicholson's influence. [1] Think about it. Arnabdas (talk) 17:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At a minimum, I think the teams would need to acknowledge the refeerence per
WP:IPC. Otherwise, it's an open invitation for every celebrity citing and tabloid overage.—Bagumba (talk) 20:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply
]

References

  1. ^ http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Blog/2013/06/13/Jack-Nicholson-once-had-Maria-Menounos-kicked-out-of-an-NBA-game/7661371136786/

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 8 external links on Celtics–Lakers rivalry. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{

Sourcecheck
}}).

This message was posted before February 2018.

regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check
}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Celtics–Lakers rivalry. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018.

regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check
}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Rivalry And The NBA

How much do you think the relevancy and breakthrough of the entire National Basketball Association is owed to the Lakers-Celtics rivalry? Without it, the NBA would be second fiddle to the NFL. The article should include a section that talks about the rivalry's importance to the league from a financial and ratings perspective, in addition to public reaction. The Lakers have a little more sway in the growth of the league because of Los Angeles and its proximity within Hollywood, paving the way for sports stars as celebrities. Did the Lakers make celebrities out of the Celtics as well just because of their rivalry? ElMeroEse (talk) 19:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable, as I'm sure Ive seen sources stating as much, even moreso with the Bird–Magic rivalry. Before, the NBA had an image problem with drugs and the Finals were tape delayed.—Bagumba (talk) 01:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There might be some applicable sources at Magic_Johnson#Rivalry_with_Larry_Bird.—Bagumba (talk) 01:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing A Chart

With Rajon Rondo becoming the second player in NBA history to win a title with both Celtics and Lakers, I am suggesting for the list of players to be changed into a chart. Player name, years played with both franchises, where they won their titles. Some players like Bob McAdoo and Shaquille O'Neal, who won their titles with the Lakers, also played for the Celtics, and should be noted accordingly. ElMeroEse (talk) 19:28, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures that better show the rivalry

I think some of the pictures should be changed if able to better show the rivalry and the players. Such as having a picture with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird in it for the 80's section, Kobe and Paul Pierce or the Celtics big 3 for the 2000's section, and Russel and Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain for the '60s. I'm not quite sure which photos you're able to use or I'd try to find some myself. PatchThat (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Public Writing

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 September 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Niwde hus (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Niwde hus (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Celtics–Lakers_rivalry&oldid=1206590831"