Talk:Community colleges in the United States

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Expansion ideas

The article mentions how low community college tuition can go, but not how high or what the average is. Another question: about how many community colleges are there in the United States? How many students are enrolled in them nationwide? -- Beland (talk) 16:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

California has the lowest enrollment fees...

It now costs $36 per unit. I doubt it is the lowest. Either way it should be changed.159.115.195.4 (talk) 00:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Largest Community College System?

In what way is The Los Angeles Community College District the largest community college system in the United States? Certainly not in terms of enrollment, perhaps in terms of geographical area? Perhaps some clarification is needed here? They claim 250,000 students on their home page, though their enrollment figures in the Fast Facts section of their website is far lower. Regardless, even the 250,000 student claim would be 10,000 students fewer than the 260,000 students the Maricopa Community College District claims. I propose this claim be removed until and unless further citations are available. Drakeg1 (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Drakeg1[reply]

Role in college / university system?

The article in its lede section should spell out what role community colleges play in the US college and university system. What degrees do they give out? Are they a prequel to college or university education or an alternative? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

Elements of this article dealing with relatively recent history (i.e. the 2010s) have serious POV issues. Terms like "poverty wages" are totally encyclopedic, as is the blatantly inappropriate tone of "key Republican lawmakers, including John Boehner (a key proponent of for-profit colleges) and Mitch McConnell publicly opposed the legislation."

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I meant to say "unencyclopedic."

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Obscure sentence

I'm not understanding the sentence "As a general rule, broad generalizations about the origins, purposes, and funding of public two-year colleges varies widely among the states and, as in the case of California, within states." Someone who understands what it's trying to say should have a go at fixing it. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre use of English and/or logic...

...in the following:

Criticism falls on the community college advisors for “cooling out” the common low-ability student who also has high aspirations. The community college deters students from bachelor's degrees, labeling them as overambitious goals. Students would likely intervene more if not for the easier path they are now on thanks to the rerouting.

Aside from the terribly clumsy wording, this makes almost no sense: why should advisors face censure for adjusting the expectations of "low-ability" students? If instead they put pressure on high-ability students to take the community route when such students might be able to go to a real university, that might be a valid reason for criticism. The verb "intervene" in the last sentence makes no sense, but the sentiment seems to be that there are students who decide not to pursue a bachelor's because of advisors dangling a softer option in front of them. That would be fine, except that the topic under discussion is the lot of the student who harbors "high aspirations" --- why is such a student discussed as being unable to "intervene" (i.e. take control of their career path)?137.205.183.109 (talk) 13:32, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List of article

Posting this comment here. The List of junior colleges in the United States should be changed to reflect the common term "community college." -Inowen (talk) 06:24, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Community college enrollment declines and gainful employment

This article has not adequately addressed the significant and uneven enrollment declines at US community colleges, or the reasons for the declines. This is important because community college is the most common higher education route for US working families.

Enrollment at US community colleges is more than 1.6 million students since the peak year of 2010-11. [1]

Community college enrollment may be considered counter-cyclical, which means that it would decline during good economic times. But there are clearly other social and economic factors driving state and local enrollment declines. [2] I have seen little or nothing in this article that addresses the differences in enrollment changes among the states, counties, and cities of the US.

Closely related to enrollment, this article does very little to address community colleges as economic engines. How successful are community colleges in helping communities succeed? Do they adequately train working-class families so that they can enjoy social mobility? How well do community colleges respond to gainful employment records?CollegeMeltdown (talk) 12:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://studentclearinghouse.org/nscblog/fall-2018-overall-postsecondary-enrollments-decreased-1-7-percent-from-last-fall/
  2. ^ https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/06/21/community-college-enrollment-rates-expected-keep-falling

Cultural stigma

Perhaps the article should address the cultural stigma towards community colleges in the United States. Spaceboy900 (talk) 04:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Is there anything scholarly about "13th grade"?CollegeMeltdown (talk) 05:38, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the stigma is mentioned but may need updating: "There is a historic connotation that community colleges and for-profit colleges are often considered schools of last resort, because of their open-admissions policies, which may reflect poorly upon students who were unable to receive admission to a college offering a wider variety of degree programs.[75] Their open-admissions policies have been the subject of sarcastic humor in popular media.[76]"CollegeMeltdown (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2019 (UTC) Are you suggesting there should be a subsection for this?CollegeMeltdown (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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