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Zorawar Singh Barhath

@Chanchaldm. Hi. Why did you remove all the sourced that I had provided regarding Zorawar Singh Barhath? Morever, you removed all his mentions. What kind of behaviour is that?

You should have started a discussion before removing sufficiently sourced material on your own.Krayon95 (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please check Deccan Herald, Sengupta p329, Mukherjee p107.
Competitive exam materials aren't usually
WP:RS. There are punctuation and spelling issues with quotations; Is it actually quote from Source? There may be minority opinions (like there are views that Bose himself threw the bomb). If any opinion is Fringe theory, It can't be added. Thank you.Chanchaldm (talk) 12:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Hi ,@Chanchaldm. I agree regarding your point about competitive exam materials. However, on what basis did you disregard rest of the ten sources, all of which were provided with respective quotations? I assume you are not familier with the subject, as the majority opinion & the fact is Zorawar Singh was the one who hurled the bomb. And minority opinion being that it was Ras Bihari Bose, which has been clarified in the sources provided. The fallacy can be understood as he was the head of the organization behind the planning.
Lastly, it is Basand Kumar Biswas which is considered fringe opinion, long back discarded. Even in the case proceedings, it confirms that he wasn't charged with the bombing but with handling of bombs regarding an earlier incident in Lahore. I would request you to consider all this before making further hasty edits in articles. Thank you. Krayon95 (talk) 13:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Basanta Kumar Biswas's name is present in all Hardinge bomb case related articles on wiki for years as the one throwing it and with good quality reliable sources. I have already gave you three reliable sources, there are more. Please provide page nos and quotations from good quality and reliable sources here on talk page backing up your claims.Thank you.Chanchaldm (talk) 14:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it was present at wikipedia in earlier versions doesn't make it a fact. Personally, I believe its due to larger and longer presence of Bengali people here at wikipedia. Please wait as I would have to check sources again for page numbers. Thanks. Krayon95 (talk) 14:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These are some of the sources whose page numbers are given.
Sources:-
  1. Saxena, K. S. (1971). The Political Movements and Awakening in Rajasthan, 1857 to 1947. S. Chand. PAGE: 133,134 "One of the very interesting episodes which took place during the trial of the Delhi conspiracy ease was that the whole case was based on circumstantial evidence and that there was lack of direct evidence. To quote the words of Mr. Alston: “However, as there was no direct evidence on the point and as it might be thought indirect evidence was not sufficient in itself to bring home legal proof we have not set out the Delhi Bomb outrage in the way we have set out the later Lahore Garden's bomb case.” Delivering the judgment Mr. Harrison, temporary additional Sessions Judge, Delhi, observed, “There is certainly no legal proof on the subject and it is merely an interesting coincidence that two months after the plan of campaign was formed in Lahore, a bomb precisely similar to those used in recent outrages in Calcutta and to that used in May, 1913, in Lahore was thrown at Delhi, and that the two accused who stand charged with having actually perpetrated that Lahore outrage, were absent from Lahore when this happened. Although there is no proof that this organisation had any hand in the throwing of the Delhi bomb, the literature which they published soon after shows how cowardly the members approved of this outrage. Though Balmukund was arrested and hanged in connection with ‘Hardinge-Bomb’ case,’yet, it is believed that Thakur Jorawar Singh Barhat, an ex-Kamdar of the Maharani of Jodhpur, who was wearing burka, had thrown a bomb from Marwari Library, Chandni Chowk, Delhi, and remained absconded with his revolutionary cousin Kunwar Pratap Singh Barhat."
  2. Hooja, Rima (2006). A History of Rajasthan. Rupa & Company.
    ISBN 978-81-291-0890-6
    . PAGE: 1410,1411 "Even as the Indian princes were involved in Imperial pageantry and matters, and the governance of their own areas — often with a British administrator influencing decisions, nationalist politics of many hues, and several revolutionary movements, also gathered strength and support. The networks and affiliations of the revolutionary movements, in particular, cut across the boundaries of British-administered and princes administered India. Rajputana’s well-known poet, Thakur Kesari Singh Barhat (who had been born in a Charan family of Shahpura, Mewar), his brother Zorawar Singh and son Pratap Singh, were in close touch with revolutionaries like Ras Behari Bose. Zorawar Singh and Pratap Singh were party to the conspiracy to assassinate the Governor General Lord Hardinge, as he rode on elephant-back in a ceremonial procession in Delhi in December 1912 to celebrate the shifting of the capital of India from Calcutta to Delhi. The revolutionaries hurled a bomb at Hardinge, who survived the attack though his bodyguard was killed. Pratap Singh and his brother-in-law, Ishar Dan Asa, were arrested but were let off later due to lack of evidence. Subsequently, Pratap Singh and Zorawar Singh, who were wanted by the police in some other cases, absconded. (The latter was not arrested till he returned to Kota)."
  3. Yadav, Kripal Chandra; Arya, Krishan Singh (1988). Arya Samaj and the Freedom Movement: 1875-1918. Manohar Publications.
    ISBN 978-81-85054-41-4
    . PAGE: 208,209 "Kesari Singh’s brother Zorawar Singh Barhat (born 1875) also played a heroic role in the revolutionary struggle for freedom. At the instance of his great brother, he joined hands with Master Amir Chand, that leader of the revolutionaries in and around Delhi. He took part in the Delhi Bomb outrage of 23 December 1912 in which Lord Hardinge was seriously wounded. The police did their very best to arrest him but failed."
  4. Vyas, Indira (2004). Freedom Movement in Rajasthan: With Special Reference to Ajmer-Merwara. University Book House.
    ISBN 978-81-8198-011-3
    . PAGE: 66,67 "He was a great revolutionary leader who had contacts with Arbindo Ghose and Swami Kumaranand who came to Kharwa in the year 1906. This was a time when the leaders like Ras Bihari Bose, Damodar Das Rathi, Arjun Lal Sethi, Kesari Singh Barhat, Thakur Zorawar Singh (who threw a bomb on Lord Harding) and Bijay Singh.."
  5. Singh, M. K. (2009). Encyclopaedia of Indian War of Independence, 1857-1947: Birth of Indian National Congress : establishment of Indian National Congress. Anmol Publications.
    ISBN 978-81-261-3745-9
    . PAGE: 129 "BARHAT PRATAP SINGH: b. May 25, 1893, at Shahpura, Distt. Bhilwara, Rajasthan; s. of Shri Kesri Singh Barhat; Matriculate; Active political worker; Took a prominent part in the revolutionary movement against British rule in India. Joined the Revolutionary Party as a follower of Shri Rash Behari Bose. Participated in the revolutionary plot to throw a bomb on Lord Hardinge, Viceroy of India, on December 3, 1912. His uncle, Shri Zorawar Singh was also a member of this group."
Krayon95 (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These sources do not look like good sources as these aren't
WP:HSC. For example S Chand publishes school text books and competitive exams materials. Most of these didn't even mention Barhath threw the bomb. Anyway I will look for some good Source (if there's any), when I will have time. Currently I am too busy in RL. Please don't make edits with these sources in the meantime. Thank you. Chanchaldm (talk) 05:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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S. Chand is nevertheless reliable. It has published a lot of history related books & its known for its accuracy. You can also see this list of articles which use S. Chand published books as sources, and many many of these articles are history related.
S. Chand on wikipedia Krayon95 (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're right it is used in some articles, but mainstream views already exist in these articles for years with high quality sources. We need better source to counter it. I will look into it. Thanks.Chanchaldm (talk) 03:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further Sources for Zorawar Singh Barhath

Hi, @Chanchaldm. Further Sources for Zorawar Singh Barhath:

  1. J. R. Kanungo (1965) Know Your Rajasthan Jain Bros. PAGE:61 "Thakur Zorawar Singh He was the brother of Sri Kesari Singh Barhath, who fought vigorously for the freedom of India. He was also the uncle of Pratap who died in Bareilly jail. He was the man who threw bomb at the time of the big reception arranged for Viceroy Lord Harding."
  2. Cintāmaṇi Śukla, Avadheśakumāra Śukla Ādhunika Rājasthāna Kā Krāntikārī Itihāsa, 19Vīṃ Evaṃ 20Vīṃ Śatābdī". 1985. Śuklā Prakāśana. PAGE 161 "क्रान्तिकारी दल के छोटेलाल और प्रतापसिंह के अनुसार जोरावरसिंह ने ही बम बम गिरया था इनके अतिरिक्त ठा० केसरीसिंह बारहठ की पौत्री श्रीमती राजलक्ष्मी देवी ने इसी संदर्भ में कहा था कि जब वह १४ वर्ष की थी सन् १९३७ में वीर पुगव जोरावरसिंह ने उन्हें चांदनी चौक में वह स्थान बताया था जहाँ बुर्का पहन कर उन्होंने लार्ड हाडिज पर बम गिराया था ।"
  3. Hariprasad Agrawal (1951) Rajasthani Ajadi Ke Diwane PAGE:216 "अभी तक आम जनता ज्यादातर यही समझती रही है कि दिल्ली में वाइसराय लार्ड हार्डिज पर बम श्री रामबिहारी बोस ने फेंका था किन्तु वास्तव में लार्ड हार्डिन पर बम फेंकने वाले राजस्थान केसरी स्वर्गीय ठाकुर केसरीसिहजी वारहट के छोटे भाई व अमर शहीद वीर कुंवर प्रतापसिंह के चाचा श्री ठाकुर जोरावरसिंह थे। जब दिल्ली के चांदनी चौक में वाइसराय महोदय का जलूस बड़ी शान शौकत से निकल रहा था, गोराशाही के गुरगों का जबरदग्न पहरा लगा हुआ था, उस वक्त इस अनूठे रणबांके वीर ने किस कमाल के साथ बुरके में से लाट साहय पर बम का निशाना मारा, यह संसार के इतिहास में सर्वदा के लिये एक स्मरणीय घटना रहेगी । बम फेंक कर किस बहादुरी, हिम्मत के साथ ठाकुर जोरावरसिह ब्रिटिश शाही की आंखों में धूल झोंक कर लापता हुए कि अपने पूरे साधनों का उपयोग करके भी ब्रिटिश सरकार श्राजन्म उस दीर का पता न लगा सकी। ठाकुर साहब दिल्ली से फरार होकर, अज्ञातवास में चले गये व अज्ञातवास काल में अपने आपको भारत माँ को स्वतन्त्र कराने के प्रयत्नों में झोंक कर, अपने जीवन को उत्सर्ग कर, भारतीय क्रान्ति के इतिहास में एक अनमोल पृष्ठ जोड़ दिया। "
  4. Ghosh, Satyavrata, and Marxist Study Forum.Remembering Our Revolutionaries. Hyderabad: Marxist Study Forum, 1994 PAGE 166 "There is, however, another claimant to this 'honour' - Martyr Jorawar Singh, son of Kishan Singh, of Rajputana, who had the reputation of being never caught and remained underground for about 27 years evading the death penalty awarded to him in a murder case; he died in underground life itself on 17-10-1939."
  5. Swatantrata Sangram Ka Itihas by Govardhanlal Purohit PAGE: 172 "ऐसी भी मान्यता है कि कुँवर प्रतापसिंह दिल्ली में अपने चाचा जोरावरसिंह के साथ वायसराय लॉर्ड हार्डिंग्ज पर बम फेंकने में शामिल थे। जोरावरसिंह तो पकड़े नहीं गए, यद्यपि प्रतापसिंह दिल्‍ली षड्यंत्र केस के अन्तर्गत पकड़े गए तथापि कोई प्रमाण न होने के कारण छोड़ दिए। रासबिहारी दिल्‍ली बम काण्ड के बाद भूमिगत हो गए थे और उन्हें पकड़ने के लिए सरकार ने ऐड़ी से चोटी तक का जोर लगा दिया, परन्तु कुछ भी सफलता नहीं मिली।"
  6. Rājasthāna meṃ svatantratā saṅgrāma ke senānī aitihāsika sandarbhoṁ kā viśad paricaya-grantha By Sumaneśa Jośī, Ṭipū Sultāna · 1973 PAGE: 37,38 "जब 12 दिसम्बर, 1911 को दिल्ली दरवार के अवसर पर लार्ड हार्डिग्ज पर बम फेंका गया तो सामान्यत यह समझा जाता रहा कि बम फैकने वाले प्रसिद्ध क्रान्तिकारी श्री रासबिहारी बोस थे। किन्तु वास्तव में लार्ड हार्डिग्ज पर बम फैकने वाले वीर ठा० जोरावरसिंह थे, जो अपने परिवार के सस्कारो के अनुसार देश सेवा मे रत हो गये थे। ठा० जोरावरसिंह के बारे में बताया गया है कि, जब दिल्ली के चाँदनी चौक मे वाइसराय का जुलूस बडी शान शौकत से निकल रहा था, गौराशाही के गुर्गों का जवरदस्त पहरा था उस वक्त इस रणवाँके वीर ने जिस कमाल के साथ बुर्के मे लाट साहब के ऊपर बम का निशाना मारा वह ससार के इतिहास मे एक स्मरणीय घटना रहेगी। बम फैक कर जिस बहादुरी और हिम्मत के साथ ब्रिटिश शासन की आँखो मे धूल झोक कर ऐमे लापता हुए कि आजन्म सरकार उनका पता नहीं लगा सकी।"
  7. Azadi @ 75 : Krantikariyon Ki Shauryagatha by Shri Vivek Mishra 2022 PAGE: 29 "इन्होंने जयपुर में वर्धमान पाठशाला के नाम से एक विद्यालय की स्थापना की, जहाँ क्रांतिकारियों को प्रशिक्षण देना शुरू किया, जहाँ इनके प्रताप सिंह बारहट, मोतीचंद, ईश्वरदान, मानिकचंद, जयचंद प्रमुख शिष्य थे। इन शिशुओं की क्रांतिकारी गतिविधियों में प्रमुख भूमिका थी, जिसमें लॉर्ड हार्डिंग पर बम फेंकने में तथा नीमेज हत्याकांड में, वर्धमान पाठशाला में विष्णु दत्त शिक्षक थे। प्रताप सिंह बारहठ, ईश्वर दान, छोटालाल व जोरावर सिंह बारहठ ने लॉर्ड हार्डिंग पर बम फेंका।"
  8. Panorama - Remembering the Great by Lakshmi Niwas Jhunjhunwala · 2015 PAGE: 131,132 "Pratap and his uncle Zorawar Singh were entrusted by Rashbehari Bose with the job of throwing bombs on Lord Hardinge when he was entering Delhi in a big royal procession. Lord Hardinge was injured, Rashbehari Bose went underground. Zorawar Singh and Pratap also fled and could not be arrested. Rashbehari Bose was hiding in Nuddea (West Bengal). Attractive prizes were announced for those who could give any clues about Zorawar and Pratap. Still Pratap took the risk of meeting Rashbehari for seeking guidance for the future of the violent revolution knowing fully well that he would be hanged if caught. Younger brother Zorawar Singh could not be caught by the government and remained underground for his whole life."

Krayon95 (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chanchaldm ??? Krayon95 (talk) 06:20, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have already told you competitive exams materials are not considered as reliable on Wikipedia. And I can't verify non-English sources. You may request any experienced editor who can verify non-English materials to review it. Thanks.Chanchaldm (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The books "J. R. Kanungo (1965) Know Your Rajasthan" was written in 1965 that's why I included it. Anyway, if you could read or translate the hindi sources, you would know that there is substantial evidence & testimony in favour of Zorawar Singh.
Multiple persons including Ram Narayan Chaudhary, a contemprary nationalist confirmed that it was Zorawar Singh who threw the bomb. Pratap Singh himself, before he died told him about the whole incident as Pratap was also with Zorawar Singh at Chandni Chowk on 3 December 1912.
Morever, Zorawar Singh himself during his exile in Sitamau kingdom disclosed his identity to Maniraj Singh Jagawat of Ekalgarh and narrated him the incident.
And we have another testimony from the grand-daughter of Kesari Singh Barhath, that Zorawar Singh showed him the exact place in Chandni Chowk from where he hurled the bomb at the Viceroy. Krayon95 (talk) 06:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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