Talk:Don't Forget About Us

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July 22, 2011Good article nomineeListed

Clothing

Is there any reason for including details about Carey's clothing (apart from wearing her boyfriend's jacket) and the colour of the rooms featured in the video? Extraordinary Machine 18:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, when you edited it, you made it sound like she was crying in all those solo scenes. She only cries in that one for a bit, so the other info was added to help differentiate the two scenes OmegaWikipedia 18:48, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Elvis controversy

Yea, I removed all the Elvis controversy nonsense. It is way off topic and has nothing to do with this song! Please put that on Elvis' wiki page or something! Wcwnwo20 (talk) 20:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chart trajectories

In the words of user:FuriousFreddy: do we really need to know exactly how a song performed week-by-week on the charts, in the context of an encyclopedia article? Extraordinary Machine 23:08, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If we have attained the trajectories, then why not? —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 02:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is unencyclopedic trivia that is only of interest to music enthusiasts/chart followers and fans of the recording artist. We're here to summarise facts, not include them all. Extraordinary Machine 21:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The only people reading this article are "music enthusiasts/chart followers and fans of the recording artist." There is no reason not to include something as interesting (in my opinion) as the chart trajectory. It's not like it takes a lot of space. 02:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Charts

The charts section lists:

Hot Digital Songs: #1 (3 weeks) & Hot Digital Tracks: #1 (2 weeks)


This is wrong, in fact the real listing should be:

Hot Digital Songs: #1 (one week) & Hot Digital Tracks: #2

Infobox link to The Emancipation of Mimi

Per Wikipedia:Piped link guidelines, this should read The Emancipation of Mimi (Ultra Platinum Edition), not The Emancipation of Mimi (Ultra Platinum Edition), as there is no article by the name of "The Emancipation of Mimi (Ultra Platinum Edition)". Extraordinary Machine 21:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unexplained removal of lead content

I'd like to know why user:Get2nomey keeps removing from the article's lead section a mention of the song's moderate chart performance outside of the U.S. Extraordinary Machine 17:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted it because its unnecessary and unremarkable that this particular single did not perform as well in other parts of the world. There is nothing extraordinary about that. Such facts are not mentioned for every single that is discussed on Wikipedia or even for every single that Mariah has so why discuss it for this song. There has to be some special reason for bringing up that pointless information in the lead for the song. It does not belong there.

I also edited the discussion about whether or not Billboard credits Elvis with 17 or 18 number one singles because it was described incorrectly. Billboard magazine is the final arbiter of what is number 1 on their charts. If Billboard disagrees with their statistician, who works for them, then their decision to say that Elvis only has 17 is the "official" decision, not Whitburn's figure. Whitburn works for Billboard, not the other way around. If Billboard says its 17 then that's what it is.

Why discuss it for this song? Because it could be considered a violation of Wikipedia's
neutral point of view policy not to mention the single's moderate chart performance outside of the U.S., especially given that other Carey single articles (We Belong Together, Heartbreaker (Mariah Carey song) etc.) mention the corresponding single's non-U.S. chart performance in their lead sections when it performed strongly in other countries. Extraordinary Machine 20:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply
]

I edited the lead again to say that it was a hit in several other countries. This more accurately describes its performance around the world because it went to #1 in Finland, #11 in the U.K., #12 in Canada, #17 in Australia. It went top 20 in 3 counries and number 1 in another. I think that means that it was a hit elsewhere. You don't have to go number 1 in order to have had a hit. Furthermore, I disagree that it is a violation of Wikipedia policy not to mention that it wasn't a hit elsewhere. This is an encyclopedia and it would seem to me that Don't Forget About Us is notable a) because it was a single released by a notable star and b) because the single itself gained notoriety. Why is it necessary to discuss the single's modest performance in some other country when it is most notable for its success in the U.S. It's like saying in Bill Clinton's bio that he wasn't elected to the U.S. Senate, like his wife was. Who cares. It's true but it's not notable. It's not the reason he belongs in an Encyclopedia.

Someone has edited the remix section and placed some stupid stuff on there. You might want to have a look at it. I started to fix it but I don't feel like being bothered.

What music store?

"the song replaced Carey's perenially popular holiday single "All I Want for Christmas Is You" (1994) at number one on the iTunes Music Store"

I think all music stores have different charts, im presuming this refers to the US charts. Anyone know?

#1 on Brasil??

Don't think so... Not only I never seen the video on MTV but I never heard it on the radios... thank God!!

Honestly, Mimi's current single in Brasil is "Shake It Off"... so how in the hecks name did "Don't Forget About Us" charted and landed at #1? Plus I don't even think that we have a HOT 100 single chart...

David Morales Remix ?

Any Steroheads know if David Morales has made an unreleased remix this track?

MC Magic Version

An alternate version of "Don't Forget About Us" features NB Ridaz founder MC Magic. His appearance on the track, however, is very minor, for he only does a small rap verse and takes the first half of the chorus. What's interesting about the song is that in MC Magic's chorus, he sings "Christmas time is a hard time, and I need you by my side." Was this a Christmas gift? Any ideas on how or why MC Magic did this song?

The song can be heard here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zohjrBrvXtg

Fair use rationale for Image:DFAU2.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Dontforgetaboutus.jpg

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Image

Is there an image for use on the

R&B and Soul Music Portal which is not a fair use image? SriMesh | talk 22:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Marilyn Monroe

Since it is mentioned that someparts of the music video are simular too Marilyns movie "Somethings got to give" perhaps we can find a image of the pool scene in Somethings got to give too put under the image of Mariah that way the reader can see what we mean without them having too search? Would it be fair use too get a screenshot from a video on YouTube?Thanks! xx

12:37, 19 November (UTC) ChrisKardashian

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Reviewer: Calvin • 999 09:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC) Will start after Glitter[reply]

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  • Info box
  1. No issues
  • Lead info
  1. "It was written and produced by Carey, Jermaine Dupri, Bryan-Michael Cox and Johntá Austin," → The info box and the TEOM article says that Johntá Austin didn't produce the song. I know you say "Co-produced by the former three," in the next line, but this should be re-worded to come before, because it's misleading.
  2. "Additionally, the song placed on the set-lists of Carey's The Adventures of Mimi and Angels Advocate Tours." → "Additionally, the song was included on..."
  • Background and recording
  1. Block quote doesn't need quotation marks.
  • Composition
  1. "Written and produced by Carey, Jermaine Dupri, Bryan-Michael Cox and Johntá Austin," → Austin didn't produce.
  • Critical reception
  1. No issues
  • Chart performance
  1. ""Don't Forget About Us" was released as the fourth international single from The Emancipation of Mimi (2005), and the first from its re-release, the Ultra Platinum Edition." → Source?
  • Music video - Background
  1. "In an interview, Carey described" → Interview with who?
  2. Block quote doesn't need quotation marks.
  • Music video - Synopsis
  1. No issues
  • Remixes
  1. "and featuring Fabolous and Styles P," → Don't need "and"
  • Live performances
  1. "accepting the first award of the evening.[31]" → The first award of the evening or Mariah's first award of the evening? Also, I assume she won more than one? State how many.
  • Formats and track listings
  1. No issues
  • Credits and personnel
  1. No issues
  • Charts
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  • References
  1. One dead link

Great article, hardly anything to ammend :) Calvin • 999 21:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! All done :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Responded to two points which are highlighted in bold. And I haven't actually passed it yet, just looked on your user page ;). Calvin • 999 21:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Passed.


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