Talk:Don Juan (poem)

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Morganlibrary (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. I saw user:Closedmouth reverted that addition - I'm not sure why. I'll ask him/her. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And pending an answer, I've reinstated the link. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a debate hidden in the text that should be here:

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is called correctly "Ma-RYE-uh", as she would be in modern English. The pronunciation is a joke in Don Juan, since this Juan is Spanish, but it is not exactly "incorrect." [this doesn't make any sense: JOO-wan is the traditional pronunciation of a name that is not traditional? And since when is 'Maria' ever pronounced muh-RYE-uh?-->

If anyone has any evidence that Juan rhymed with true one outside Byron, we should of course correct the article. kwami (talk) 06:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about Juan specifically, but the generally tendency in English (until very recently) has been to pronounce foreign names as if they were English words. This is certainly true of Cadíz: "There was an Old Person of Cadiz / Who was always polite to all ladies" [Edward Lear], "Don Juan, who's just been wintering in Cadiz / Caught at the wheel of his maroon Mercedes" [W.H. Auden].

Is there any evidence that the pronunciation "wan" or "hwan" was used in English in the 1820's? ABehrens (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know that Juan was traditionally pronounce JOO-an in English (my impression was always that Byron was making a joke). However, it is absolutely true that Muh-RYE-ah was the correct and standard pronunciation of Maria in English a speaking countries until well into the twentieth century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.158.202 (talk) 06:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How is it that such a long article can possibly arise out of two references?:) I am going to change the assessment to C class, but if this information were properly sourced, the article could achieve much more.Mrathel (talk) 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I question the use of the term 'bathos' which is defined as ‘A lapse into the ridiculous by a poet aiming at elevated expression. Whereas anticlimax can be a deliberate poetic effect, bathos is an unintended failure.'(1) Surely Byron uses anticlimax deliberately for comic effect?94.30.95.21 (talk) 09:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC) (1) Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms, ed. Chris Baldick (3rd ed, 2008, Oxford: Oxford University Press).[reply]

The dedication to Robert Southey (then Poet Laureate) has 14 stanzas, also ottava rima - shouldn't it get the first section in the synopsis? There's a lot of material there of interest both literary and historical/political. Or at least a mention up top? Ken M Quirici 12:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kquirici (talk • contribs)

Oops! It's down the bottom. Sorry.Ken M Quirici 21:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kquirici (talk • contribs)

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Some editions include a poem that Byron scribbled on the manuscript, in the same ottava rima form:^[1]

I can't see how to include this in the article, although I think it should be there. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 05:56, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article fails to use quotation marks when quoting. One source is named under "References". Rwood128 (talk) 18:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have indicated some quotations and added citations. This is a work in progress and needs additions and revisions. Rwood128 (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Equally significant is that the one source that is over-used is over 100 years old! Rwood128 (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This word is not appropriate for the period; 'footpad' might be better. American slang is not yet universal. 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:65BF:7DE1:C67C:7AE2 (talk) 20:21, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]