Talk:Fear of children

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Theowannabe 01:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Chip[reply]

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Where is the description (and refs.) to do with obsessive parenting and overprotection? Of the terror of pedophilia? Pedophobia relates to a fear of all things concerning childhood, including a terror of childhood sexuality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.131.102.6 (talk) 15:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone see a dichotomy here? If "homo" is used to mean homosexual, (and it's only meant "man" in strictly scientific language) and "pedo" is used to mean pedophile, then why doesn't pedophobia mean the fear of pedophiles or pedophilia, wheras homophobia is the fear of homosexuals and homosexuality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.33.87 (talk) 02:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A pedophobia is a fear of feet; hence why pedestrian and pedophobia have the same root. If I recall correctly, peda comes from the greek word paidi, which means child. This is why the term pediatrician cites its roots while this article gives no mention of it. This article should use the term pediaphobia, as it describes a fear of children and not a fear of feet. I propose that this article be renamed to pedaphobia, that the new pedaphobia article states that pedofile has been popularly misstated in place of pedafile and that a pedophobia article be made stating that pedophobia is a fear of feet and not children, despite the widespread misusage of the term's foot that I am told started in the 1970s with the term pedofile being used in place of pedafile. Shining Arcanine 02:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is a compelling statement, and I thoroughly understand - and agree with - what you've written. However, it is not within the jurisdiction of Wikipedia to change the vernacular. As the citations in the article detail, the term pedophobia is what is in common usage, supported through an established cannon. I urge you to find sources that support your assertion, and then make adjustments accordingly. However, in the interest of maintaining encyclopedic scrutiny, I will contest any unsupported statements or radical departures from the current content. - Freechild 16:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "correctest" term would probably be paedophobia as paedophilia; however, as the segment ae is often replaced in American English with e, pedophobia should be acceptable in regions where American English spellings are preferred. I have also seen pediophobia (which also means "fear of dolls" [1]) used and even paediphobia. All that said, however, the most commonly used word seems to be paedophobia/pedophobia and I've still yet to see pediaphobia used. D4g0thur 10:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would this article be better titled "Fear of children", similar to

I'm not sure what this would be called; not a fear of children as much as a feeling of disenfranchisement for adults in favor of a preference for children. Examples include the seeming ad nauseum amount of non-profit organizations who fund specific child-related causes, children's cancer, children's burns, children with autism. The idea is that on one's eighteenth birthday, there is a sharp decrease in social concern for your wellbeing. Other potential examples include cultural aversion to abortion but not to capital punishment, or a much stronger aversion to the murder or abuse of a child than to that of an adult. Popular culture has made some commentary on this subject, see George Carlin's "Fuck the Children" routine for an example. I'm asking for more examples of this as an established school of thought, a name for the idea, etc. Malenkylizards 19:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Ageism includes the following definition for jeunism: The tendency to prefer young people over older people. However, there is little written on that topic, in spite of Mr. Carlin's rant. That article would be better situated for your argument than this one. For other articles related to this topic, I would suggest you see Youth. - Freechild 21:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I moved this article from its previous location because of an ongoing conversation on its

Thanks to User:Rory096 for teaching me about the "move" tab above after I did this. Sorry to have created more work! - Freechild 06:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should the title be "phobia of children"? --Yejianfei (talk) 02:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the part about "R. Kelly's pedophilia" to "R. Kelly's ephebophilia". Pedophilia is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children, ephebophilia is a sexual attraction towards adolescents. While the general public tends to confuse the two, considering that here at Wikipedia we have an article about ephebophilia and wish to publish accurate and unbiased information, things like that need to be corrected. Aoa8212 (talk) 12:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fear of children and Pediophobia are about the same thing. They should be merged. Zodon (talk) 06:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When you say "about the same thing" do you mean that they address the same topic, or that they are approximately equivalent? Either way, it seems like pediophobia is more about the dolls (and robots?) than about live children. The two topics seem related but different, and I personally would not merge them. 75.170.62.150 (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article on

I removed the merger proposal since it is almost two months old and the only feedback is in opposition. • Freechild'sup? 16:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs some work I think. One thing that confused me (and may confuse readers) is that "pedophobia" is apparently a term with two distinct meanings: a psychiatric medical condition, and a political ideology.

Should "Pedophobia" (a medical condition) and "Fear of young people" (a kind of ideology) be two separate articles maybe? They're pretty different things. I don't think so, because the "pedophobia" is used for both. But I do think that we need distinct sections to clarify the difference, and to spell out the two different meanings right up front. The medical-condition section is going to be much shorter, it looks.

Then we can vet the refs and look at tweaking the text in places where clarity can be improved, if any. Herostratus (talk) 07:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

I also wonder if the name of the article might be better as "Pedophobia"? It used to be called this at one time. Herostratus (talk)

See

Biogeographist (talk) 18:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Then essentially two sections, "Medical" and "Social", or something like that. (The stuff about ephebiphobia and gerontophobia and paternalism, adultism, and ageism can go in the body of the article, doesn't need to be in the lede). (I dunno about "ephebiphobia" being a separate term. It is if people use it. Our first ref tho is "Fear of teenagers is growing in Britain, study warns".... "it appears that an aversion to young people, or "paedophobia" so here a least the person is using "paedophobia" to mean fear/aversion to teens, and if that's how the term is used.... we'll see when we vet the refs. Herostratus (talk) 08:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Split with disambiguation page

What about splitting this article into two articles:

That sounds like part of a good solution. 120.136.5.96 (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this sounds like a good start, let's do this. Now, the actual name of articles isn't all that important as long as the proper redirects are in place, but it is good to get it right. I'm thinking of article titles something maybe like this?

• Pedophobia
  , the disambiguation page. "fear of children" also redirects here. The page contains two main links:

• Pedophobia (psychology) -- a short article with the medical stuff
• Discrimination against children -- the political/social stuff

Some minor questions are whether or not "Pedophobia" should be a primary topic, going directly to the info on the medical stuff. I don't think so, but whatever. "Fear of children" could redirect directly to "Pedophobia (psychology)". I don't think so, but doesn't much matter, whatever. "Pedophobia (psychology)" should maybe be called "Pedophobia (medical)" or "Pedophobia (disorder)" or whatever. I don't know or much care. "Pedophobia", the disambig page could also include pointers to "Pediophobia" and "Podophobia" and "Pedophilia" and whatever else people might be looking for. Herostratus (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I support the creation of Pedophobia (disambiguation). I think that for the time being, we shouldn't have a primary topic, as the question is still up for debate. I also support the inclusion of pointers

I propose the creation of Pedophobia (anxiety disorder) and support Discrimination against children. 120.136.5.96 (talk) 09:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that

Biogeographist (talk) 13:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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See

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Have you any sources that backup your claim that "pedophobia" is a neologism? There is no such thing as complaint sourcing on in WP:MEDRS, so I have no idea what you are saying there.

The use of the word pedophobia to refer to the disorder predates the social use be decades if not at least by a century. For a start, this article is very clearly about the disorder, as can be seen from the lede, which predates the sections on the social side. Even if the majority of the article addresses the social perspective, then the case for splitting remains. Have you actually read the comments here? If you have, then it should be clear that a split is being proposed because the article is confusing the two concepts implying that inclusive. 120.136.5.96 (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You stated, "There is no such thing as complaint sourcing on in WP:MEDRS, so I have no idea what you are saying there." Eh? "Complaint" was a typo. I meant "compliant." In addition to being a social topic, this is psychology topic, as made clear by the

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(edit conflict) There was a typo above: "complaint" should have been "compliant", hence the confusion in the subsequent comment. I agree with with

Biogeographist (talk) 22:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Yes, articles about the fear and/or dislike of something, which may have "phobia" as part of the title, not always being about phobias in the clinical sense is something I mentioned at

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Yes, it makes sense to first organize the article better into two (or maybe more) clearly differentiated sections, and see how that works. I'll take a swing at it now, but I can't read a lot of the refs (they are offline), so not sure how much I can do. Herostratus (talk) 05:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't read the refs yet, so I'm willing to be educated, but I have a hard time believing that there is much fear of children in the social/political sense (as opposed to the medical/psychological sense). I think there is plenty fear of youths (teenagers etc.) but that's an entirely different thing altogether. "Child" in idiomatic use means something along the line of "not a teenager yet" (its a human word, so there is not a precise age cutoff).

The article Child begins "Biologically, a child is a human being between the stages of birth and puberty. The legal definition of child generally refers to a minor..." and this is entirely correct. And we are not talking about technical legalities here; people who are fearful of, troubled by, or disdainful of youths are not concerned with the precise birthdays of people. Seven-year-olds and eight-year-olds are perceived in one way (for social/political fear purposes) than seventeen-year-olds and eighteen-year-olds, and the latter two are perceived similarly (for fear purposes) notwithstanding that one is a minor and one a major.

I mean, I am starting from that assumption (since it's true). If the refs say different, then that's different, but we're not compelled to use refs that are prima facie wrong.

So for instance the first ref is titled "Fear of teenagers is growing in Britain, study warns" and that either doesn't belong in this article or else the article needs a different name. I assume; we'll see.

There is an article Adultism already, so some stuff can maybe go there. Herostratus (talk) 05:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at the 2007

Biogeographist (talk) 13:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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As the edit history of the Ephebiphobia article shows, I'm aware of that article. Given how poor the Fear of children article currently is, and that it's not that big (especially if the off-topic and/or synthesis material is removed), and that "children" fall under the youth category, merging this article with the Ephebiphobia article could be seen as an option. You know, if it was retitled "Fear of youth." As for child, although the term child also applies to teenagers, I see where Herostratus is coming from. A number of sources, when speaking of both young children and teenagers, will state "children and adolescents" or "children and teenagers," for example. If the Fear of children article is covering teenagers in addition to young children, as one source Herostratus pointed to above indicates, then the article is somewhat of a redundant fork to the Ephebiphobia article. And one could state that it's all the more reason for a merge. But then again, the Ephebiphobia article indicates that the term ephebiphobia is about adolescents/teenagers, although it's likely that, currently, not all of the sources in the article are limited to adolescents/teenagers. That article isn't titled "Fear of youth," which is broader in meaning than stating "ephebiphobia." So that's a reason for not merging. It seems that it's best to keep the Fear of children article about younger children, and the Ephebiphobia about adolescents/teenagers.

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Another note: In sources,

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