Talk:First Boer War

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To-do list for First Boer War: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2022-12-09 Write material on "aftermath" or "lasting consequences" Revise & correct material on 1st Boer War: 1877 was not "after" the Anglo-Zulu war which was fought in 1879. Rather the annexation of the Transvaal in 1877 increased tension between all 3 parties (the Brits, the Zulus & the Boers) & was a contributing cause of both the Anglo-Zulu War and the 1st Boer War. The main hostilities of the Zulu War did not begin until after the Brit's ultimatum to the Zulus (in Dec. 1878?) & the British invasion of Zulu territory in January 1879. Cetewayo (King) & the Zulus were decisively defeated at Ulundi in July 1879 & surrendered shortly thereafter (Sept. 1879, I think). also maybe add name of writers who contributed to the propaganda and how the people felt about the war? Dates at start of article need to be fixed, they currently state "...was fought from 16 December 2006 until 23 March 2007..." 02:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)02:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)~~ this article is totally muddled in terms of style, grammar and chronology and obviously cobbled together from other articles on south african wars of the 19th century. To be completely rewritten by a competent historian. Billtorbitt (talk) 10:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

-- 16:50, 12 October 2004 Tempshill (set up todo list)

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There is so much more to this war than that short little article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.153.101.245 (talk • contribs) 09:04, March 31, 2006 (UTC)

The comment concerning the Boers adoption of breech loading rifles as an advantage doesn't seem to make sense since the British were armed with breech loading rifles as well (the Martini-Henry)

Quick question. Why does it seem the article is trying to say as much as possible in as little as possible. It doesn't mention the various factors in both the British and the Boer side that led to the conflict, it only names what is considered the main one. Also, it seems that the article focuses on the British side, pointing out how they were beseiged, how they responded, and how they eventually lost, saying very little of the Boer side of the events that transpired. Maybe I just think so because I'm an Afrikaaner (Boer) and I learned the whole history with emphesis being placed only on the Boer side of the historical narrative. I think neither side should be more emphesised than teh other, and that a FULL and COMPLETE description of all teh events that transpired should be given. Just my two cents, but I know if I change it, Wikipedia's new "less is more" policy will come cracking down and remove all my writing. Anyway, please don't just ignore my post because I'm an anon. I have great pride (and shame) in my country and the events that shaped it. I ask that in the same way that you would all tell every detail of your own country or people group's war for independece, so also give my coutry the same attention and detail. - Ouboet 03:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC) Ouboet

The following appears: "The British also had three very important bases in Bombay, which drove them into Nepal." Given that the areas mentioned are in Asia (India/Nepal) not Africa and the discussion appears to be about Lesotho (Basotuland) this sentence is strange. Is there some cross reference intended or is it perhaps just an overlooked bit from a cut and paste? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.236.249 (talk) 02:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the article it says that the British soldiers wore red and blue. Is this correct? I thought that by this point the British were wearing khaki. TreeWithAChainsaw (talk) 14:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

During the First Boer War (1880-1881), the British wore either red or blue uniforms. Only in the Second Boer War (1899-1902) did the British start wearing the khaki uniform. Fidodog14 (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This page has some serious blocks of text. Break 'em up. Makes it hard to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.110.240.5 (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the reference to the Second Boer War as "an attempt to annex the Transvaal and Orange Free State Republics" (paraphrasing), as this is clearly disingenuous, due to the fact the Second Boer War was nothing of the sort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.163.132 (talk) 14:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article slants heavily British POV and then heavily Boer POV, it is not NPOV, all around and is of very low quality.

The 1877 Annexation

The opening paragraph gives a general overview of the British intent, without balancing the POV with any discussion about the legitimacy of the ZAR state. Then it mentions the 1886 Gold rush in Transvaal. In an encyclopedic quality NEUTRAL point of view article one would not refer to future events to describe something that is or has happened in the past. Again, clear indication of a very unbalanced article. This page needs a lot of work. It has been requiring citations since 2009. Anyway, my edits were reversed by an editor with the same usual reverence and respectful explanation as received on other pages from the same editor: POV. Not nice, not

and certainly this type of editing is not very productive.

I can go on, but seriously, this needs a complete re-write, so should probably start with the 1877 annexation. Please explain your POV User:Mean_as_custard in order for us to work together to improve the quality and neutrality of this page. Then, was this last edit vandalism? The words are not yet completed? Zarpboer (talk) 10:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article title

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I explain my reasoning on Talk:Boer War#Redirect. The changes have been reverted with an explanation in the same section. Clearly more editor input there would help decide whether or not the change is appropriate. -- PBS (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article its in the crosshairs of Pro-British Empire nostalgics and some Extreme Pro Boer editors. Checking out neutrality. Also someone omited to include it on the Scramble for Afrika template. Fixed. Mr.User200 (talk) 21:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The section about the Zulu War is a long digression from what should be the article's main focus, the 1881 Anglo-Boer war. Mention of the Zulu War and whatever effect it had on the Transvaal conflict could be simply folded into the "Background" section.TH1980 (talk) 02:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since there have been no objections, I have removed the section about the Zulu War.TH1980 (talk) 03:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is the plural in the old spelling of Dutch, which hasn't been used in South Africa for a century. The Dutch singular was 'laager', and since 1948 it has been 'lager'. In Afrikaans it's 'laer'. I'd change this myself, but it's a link, and I'm afraid to damage it.213.127.210.95 (talk) 19:47, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers of men involved in the action are different in this section vs. the

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First Boer war

The article omits the real reason for the original annexation. The Boers requested that the ZAR be annexed by Britain in order to provide protection for the Boers against an imminent Zulu invasion. The Zulus would not invade a British protectorate. The annexation was read out by the author Rider Haggard who was accompanied by a small party. It was never a military conquest and could easily have been resisted by the Boers but it was not resisted because the Boers had requested the annexation. The subsequent “rebellion” and “war” needs to be seen against this background. The Boer attack on the British was a despicable betrayal of the protection which the British had provided to the Boers in their time of need. I refer you to the South African historian and author Chris Ash. His books Kruger, kommandos and Kak, and Kruger’s War. 120.18.69.163 (talk) 01:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]