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Requested move 31 January 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the names of individual events. There is some support for moving

UFC on Fox, but even after rereading the discussion a few times, I am not sure it amounts to consensus in the event that the others aren't being moved. If a change is still desired, I'd suggest reinitiating the discussion as a request to move this page alone. Dekimasuよ! 22:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Dancter (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:22, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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talk) 00:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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CASSIOPEIA: I'm not proposing a classification change. Template:UFC Events
does not have to be restructured. This is simply about the titles of the articles and the common, primary name as stated in the lead. Numbering as presented in the article text will still follow the outside consensus: FOX UFC Fight Nights won't be "also known as UFC Fight Night ###," won't be merged into the UFC Fight Night sequencing, and will still be "also known as UFC on Fox ###."
This is a content issue. The page name should express the name of the subject. Like most other information about the subject, the network that airs the event can be conveyed in the article. If it really is that difficult for editors (and I maintain that it isn't), I would accept a compromise renaming to "UFC on Fox ###," or "UFC on Fox ###: [Fighter] vs. [Fighter]," as both are more common and more useful than the extant format. If we are going to insist on flouting common naming for convenience, we should own up to it and avoid half-measures.
Dancter (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Maybe a little more confusing for editors, but content should prioritize the readers, who, again, don't see "UFC on Fox" nearly as often in reference to these events. The media and the fan community has managed to adjust. I don't see why Wikipedia can't, as well. As long the correct redirects are established, and the parenthetical "also known as UFC on Fox ###" is included, I see no inappropriate burden that this imposes.
Dancter (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Evertonfc13
:, Dancter, all UFC events are numbered (UFC on Fox, UFC Fight Night, UFC Flagship events, and The Ultimate Fighter).
Media do use UFC on Fox ### on their print . see here for examples (the regular sites MMA editors using in Wikipedia:
  1. mmana.nl -[1]
  2. mma-today - [2]
  3. mmajunkie - [3]
  4. mmafigting - [4]
  5. bloodyelbow - [5]
  6. mmamania - [6]
You suggestion on renaming to "UFC on Fox ###," or "UFC on Fox ###: [Fighter] vs. [Fighter] seem good idea to; however, not sure how other are the thoughts of other MMA editors. Also it the above would be the naming then what happen to UFC Fight Night or UFC flagshiip event? (changing to UFC Fight Night ### or UFC Fight Night ###" [fighter] vs [fighter] and UFC ###: [fighter] vs [fighter]? Thank you.
talk) 03:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Dancter (talk) 06:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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talk) 13:12, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Here are are example where media use UFC on Fox ### (UFC on Fox 29) for John Moraga vs Wilson Reis instead of UFC on Fox: Poirier vs. Gaethje
  1. mmajunkie - [7]
  2. mmamania - [8]
  3. mmafighting - [9]
  4. sherdog - [10]
  5. mmaweekly - [11]
  6. fightsports.t - [12]
  7. mma.uno - [13]
  8. mmadna.nl - [14]
talk) 13:12, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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CASSIOPEIA:Only two of the pages in this proposal are about future events, but your examples are solely about the one event that's furthest out—for which the available information is the least reliable, most subject to change, and least relevant to the event as ultimately received. It seems as if you are arguing that since future Fox events are often referred to a certain way initially, the naming of Fox UFC events in their entirety should therefore follow that initial precedent for the sake of consistency. We don't still locate the article for The Cloverfield Paradox
at God Particle just because of what it was referred to as first, or known as for longer, based on the volume of pre-release coverage by the enthusiast press.

The examples you've noted are all specialist blogs, none of which do actual print, to my knowledge. For those who've only learned about the UFC these past three years from more professional media—newspapers, television, ESPN, the BBC, Sky Sports, Fox Sports, etc.—they're not going to recognize any of these events by "UFC on Fox ###" at all. I would argue that "UFC Fight Night" wins out both in terms of recognizability and applicability. Readers associate a UFC event with the name they recognize it by and the details they care about, which aren't necessarily the same thing. For many followers, the "UFC on Fox" number is neither of those. A viewer in England or Brazil is not going to care that a Fight Night card is the umpteenth time a Fight Night is airing on a network they're not watching it on.

I don't share this preoccupation with uniformity to the extent that it comes at the expense of accurate representation of a subject. I referenced the situation with Ortiz vs. Shamrock 3 already, but as another example, UFC: Silva vs. Irvin was another event that was billed at the time as something unusual and special, a short notice production in which the UFC showcased its dominant middlewight champion making his debut at the weight class above, clearly to take the steam out of Affliction's pay-per-view debut. Yes, it was officially categorized as a "UFC Fight Night" event, but it was marketed as a PPV-level spectacle showing live on basic cable. The omission of "Fight Night" from the title was deliberate—not incidental, not unnoticed. That impression is lost in the Wikipedia article, which, just as in these pages, uses one of the more uncommon titles for its subject, and doesn't even mention the official one in the article. All for the sake of uniformity.

Dancter (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Suggestion - Here's my opinion on this. The events are labeled as UFC Fight Night: Fighter vs Fighter Live on Fox by the UFC. So you can either go with UFC on Fox, UFC Live on Fox or go all the way with UFC Fight Night: Fighter vs Fighter Live on Fox but definitely not UFC Fight Night because those are different type of events. We can still use the numbered format prior to the announcement of the main event like UFC Live on Fox ## or UFC Fight Night: Live on Fox ## Tbb 911 (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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