Talk:Hard Promises

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What did Tom Petty want to name the album Hard Promises?

Lori Nicks (no family relation to Stevie) sings background vocal on "Insider", per this article: http://rockalittle.com/SingerPage/singers/LoriNicks.html

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"To this day "WE LOVE YOU JL" is seen on every Hard Promises first issue US non-masterphile vinyl copy pressed." This sentence has three superfluous/misleading elements: 1. "To this day..." The first issue is an event locked in time. Whatever was true about the event in 1980 will be true for all time. Close-out groove messages do not fade over time! 2. "...seen on every..." All the copies of a given issue or pressing are identical, so of course an issue/pressing's close-out groove message will be seen on every copy of the issue/pressing. 3. "...non-masterphile..." This is redundant and irrelevant. MCA's Canadian "Masterphile" branded issue came out two years later, in 1981. ([1])

Upon further research, I'm not even sure the author's claim is true. According to discogs.com, the first US pressing, from 1980 (discogs.com/Tom-Petty-And-The-Heartbreakers-Hard-Promises/release/7334907) does NOT have the "WE LOVE YOU J.L." deadwax etching; four US and one Canadian pressings, all from 1981, do. (E.g. discogs.com/Tom-Petty-And-The-Heartbreakers-Hard-Promises/release/412419)

In conclusion, it seems more reasonable for the article to read, ""WE LOVE YOU J.L." is etched in Hard Promises' runout deadwax on early US and Canadian pressings."

Master Release page: ^[2] Fp cassini (talk) 00:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You know what would REALLY be nice (and anti-ironic, in a very Tom Petty way) - would be if you "INSIDERS" would stop posting jargon and maybe let some of the rest of us in on what the heck you're talking about. Most people, myself included, don't have a frickin' CLUE what a "runout deadwax" is. Sure, we can guess and figure out some things - but wouldn't it be easier for you "INSIDERS" to just clue us poor outsiders in a bit? Share the love man. Tom would not like the music elitist thing at all. And by the way, I have a master copy of the original vinyl I play on a PL-1000 turntable about twice a year. It doesn't have that inscription, and I bought this copy in 1981 (overseas in a US military exchange at RAF Mildenhall. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]