Talk:Kiribati

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"Kiribati is the only country in the world to be situated in all four hemispheres."

This is demonstrably false as France has overseas departments (think U.S. states), counties (French Polynesia), and New Caledonia (a collectivity) in all four. 99.74.177.187 (talk) 01:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'll relax the wording. Getsnoopy (talk) 18:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

good wording but saying that France spreads all over the world is not very significant…-Arorae (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another person removed this claim again, and

WP:OR

says simple arithmetic is.

If somebody is determined enough to have the fact stick, they could probably change it to read "all four principal quadrants" as long as we think readers will understand this to refer to the four intersections of pairs of the major hemispheres. None of France is in the southwestern quadrant,—as long as we exclude unincorporated territories such as French Polynesia. Largoplazo (talk) 02:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'All four cardinal quadrants' is just fine as is. It is an academic nicety to consider French Polynesia as France even if the area is a collection of semi-autonomous overseas territories, the concept is too subtle for most readers and a stretch for the rest. Even the main France page does not claim that the pays d'outre-mer constitute an integral part of the country of France itself. If we do include the French pays d'outre-mer as part of France then we will also have to include the British Overseas Territories (BOTs) or UKOTs, which also occupy all four quadrants. Maybe there are even other countries. We will also be compelled to add the same observation to Wallace and Fortuna, New Caledonia and the other administrative areas. None of this seems desirable. Ex nihil ^(talk) 12:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"All four cardinal quadrants" is not as it is. The problem is it says all four cardinal hemispheres, which is false, albeit invalidly asserted in what are probably generally reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right Largoplazo, 'all four cardinal hemispheres', as is, is good, unique, and referenced, don't know where quadrants came into my head. Ex nihil ^(talk) 12:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whereby you've completely ignored everything I wrote about why the current text is problematic and Kiribati is not unique in this regard. Unless you want to press the argument that French Guiana and Mayotte are figments of everybody's imagination and appear nowhere in reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 12:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Largoplazo, I did actually address your text in me previous, have a reread. The main points being: the nation of France is not generally understood to extend to its overseas administrative areas; if it were to then one would have to include the UK & possibly others; it's not what the citations say. Ex nihil ^(talk)

"... is not generally understood": Is it your position that lack of knowledge supersedes reality for purposes of Wikipedia? These places are all integral parts of France, just as much as Alaska and Hawaii are integral parts of the United States. They are not "overseas administrative areas" like French Polynesia and Saint Pierre et Miquelon, or comparable to Guam or American Samoa, they are full departments, just as much so as Calvados, Morbihan, and Vosges. You will readily find citations that tell you this as you will find citations telling you that Hawaii is a full state of the United States despite lying way out in the Pacific Ocean, so stop telling us that citations don't say so. Largoplazo (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The other side of this coin is that mentioning this topic at all in the article is to give it

WP:UNDUE weight. The concept of "cardinal hemisphere" is of so little interest that when I Googled "cardinal hemisphere", I received only 17 hits—in which almost none of the references to it have anything to do with the hemispheres that we're talking about here. That points to the preferability of removing the remark from the article altogether as inconsequential trivia. Largoplazo (talk) 13:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply

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That is probably the main point here, the hemisphere thing is

WP:trivia without much impact on the actual country. (As opposed to say the date line which has moved from trivia to having an impact on tourism.) CMD (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I'm not going to object if it's removed again. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is only a minor point but it may be of some interest for the Health section. After Independence (1979), at least through the early 80s, UK physicians (and their families) were posted on the major islands. I don't know when the postings ended. Perhaps someone with better access to NHS history/archives could add a line and cite or efn. Zatsugaku (talk) 22:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Arorae: has added a lengthy list of Christian denominations in the infobox which were previously included in the "Other Christian" category. It's a burden on the lead and the relevant religion section of the article is the better place for elaborating the denominational breakdown from my perspective. RegardsNeplota (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Neplota:: are you serious? You, not me, have started an editwar on this article as you have did on other articles since July. You have not respected the rule of 3 edits on Kiribati and you are putting other things than sources say. So your "perspective" is not an argument. and I will ask for your account to be blocked.--Arorae (talk) 14:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote on your last diff comment "I am just defending the stable version of the article before you added a lengthy list of the Christian denominations in the infobox which can be better elaborated in the relevant section.". The problem is that the new results of the 2020 Census were published on June 2022, and I have updated them because they give other keys and figures of each religious denomination, especially after the new Kiribati Uniting Church, created just after the 2015 Census, started again to divide itself into 2 completely different denominations, since 2015 and on. And you cannot add together KUC with KPC and also with complete different religions, some are not even Christian.--Arorae (talk) 14:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't added KUC with KPC. I think you have been mistaken. KPC is included in the other Christian category.Neplota (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Neplota, you say that I am disrespectful with you, but you have systematically undone all my edits since July 2022 without replying at one of my comments. So I am glad that you have finally accepted to discuss this topic. You say that on your opinion, we cannot insert all the denominations in the Infobox. So you have decided to put together "potates and carrots" as said my old math teacher. The problem is that you cannot only indicate the RC and the KUC, the 2 main denominations, and ignore the third one (KPC). And ignore also the Bahai (2.1%) or the Adventists (same figure). There is no technical limit in the length of an Infobox, but you cannot make strange additions that doesn't exist in the Source (official 2020 Census, published June 2022) about the 119,438 inhabitants of Kiribati. You have reverted so many times all the data in less than one month (according to an Admin, you haven't reverted it 3 times in less than 24 hours, you are lucky because you will receive no block), but it is not the very first time that you show few capacity of fair exchange, not replying or opening discussion so lately, as you have done here. Of course the article Religion in Kiribati could me more precise and complete than the Infobox, but the source is primordial and you cannot alterate numbers. Regards.--Arorae (talk) 17:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was overly detailed for the infobox. I removed another Christian denomination, outside of Catholics, it is very mixed. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 19:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re the recent infobox edits, here are some citations for the pronunciation of Kiribati in Gilbertese. https://www.britannica.com/place/Kiribati and https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/kiribati I can provide some assurance that this is generally correct, but I have no info whether the correct convention here should be Kiribas, Kiribass, or kɪrəbæs. Zatsugaku (talk)

@Zatsugaku:. Gilbertese language pronounces Kiribati as /Kiribæs/ but IPA ([ˌkɪrɪˈbæs]) should be more specific or accurate. Most of the people pronounce the letter i as in English "bit". --Arorae (talk) 06:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In the currency section of the infobox, it has a note saying that the Kiribati dollar is not an official currency with no source. Is that really correct? I understand that the Australian dollar is the de facto currency there, but I think that note is incorrect. Anyone have any more info on that? Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 03:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More than being de facto, the Australian dollar (AUD) officially replaced the Kiribati dollar (KID), to which it was pegged 1:1. Here are two references: https://www.kiribatitourism.gov.ki/kiribati-pacific-ocean-location/practical-info/ and https://www.monito.com/en/what-is-the-currency-in/kiribati

Based on information on Kiribati dollar, the currency only existed physically as coinage and was last produced in 1992 and mainly exists as collectables. Nevertheless, I don't see stated anywhere that the old Kiribati dollar coinage was legally demonetized, so the situation is ambiguous, but really just on the level of splitting hairs. (It is reasonable to assume some incidental local circulation and some Forex platforms still post a page for it.)

While there is a main page for the Kiribati dollar, it is probably appropriate to describe its history with a sentence or two in this article body rather than only a cursory footnote. Zatsugaku (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the info! Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply, but the very rare Kiribati dollars coins still available in the country are nowadays only collectors and of course they are pegged to the Australian dollar 1:1. I haven’t seen one coin like last year (I stayed there 3 months) but only one collection dollar in a dusty box, sold at ANZ bank for A$10 (and it took one week to find the Government account to be credited of those $10!). You can consider that de facto those coins didn’t exist anymore. Arorae (talk) 02:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of topics might be worth adding enhancing so we can add wikilinks.

1) Should there be a short section here on Kiribati’s response during the pandemic? There is a main page COVID-19_pandemic_in_Kiribati, but it doesn’t seem to be referenced on this page. It also isn’t referenced in the list on National_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic page. I think there should be enough mentioned here to at least to have wikilinks.

2) A recent event that has been in the news has been the hospital ship visit by China to several Pacific nations, including Kiribati. Does it justify mention here or merely on the Foreign_relations_of_Kiribati main page and/or only on the China–Kiribati_relations page (neither of which mention the visit yet)? Zatsugaku (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These sound like very specific additions to this very general page. Have you considered whether other subpages may be a more appropriate? CMD (talk) 01:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CMD, sure. However, for 1 I think the minimum is a single sentence somewhere to contain the wikilink to the current COVID pandemic in Kiribati main page. And I can also add a new list entry on the National responses page also going to that page. For 2, if you think the ship visit only belongs on the China-Kiribati page, that is just fine. At some point it might be appropriate to be part of a more integrated discussion on the Foreign relations page. Thanks. Any other thoughts? Zatsugaku (talk) 03:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given the current state of the article a sentence on Covid-19 might fit in history, over time secondary and tertiary sources should establish its relative importance more clearly. I do not think the ship visit belongs on this page, but it may be appropriate for Foreign relations of Kiribati. CMD (talk) 03:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just found an additional page, COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania that should probably be fit. into the same sentence. Zatsugaku (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Additions done. Zatsugaku (talk) 15:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I discovered a page for Amalgamated Telecom Holdings Kiribati Limited Aka Telecom Services Kiribati Ltd (TSKL) and linked it. I noticed that that page's content hasn't been updated in several years. However, there is a fairly current LinkedIn page for TSKL and I'll expand/update.