Talk:La cumparsita

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

La cumparsita → La Cumparsita – The second sentence of the lead paragraph describes it as "among the most famous and recognizable tangos of all time". It is equally recognizable in the English-speaking world where it is rendered using English-language orthography. Even the music sheet image appended to the article depicts the title as "La Cumparsita", not "La cumparsita" and it should be noted that the music sheet was published in the Spanish-speaking world. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:20, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose quality modern English sources will generally example give instrumentals the same capitalization as modern Spanish, French etc. which tends to the current title. The advantage being that capitals indicate whether the word is a common or proper noun. Here “The little carnival march” is not a proper noun. The sheet music cover from 1917 is from 100 years ago. We don't aim for ye olde authentic titling so that isn't relevant. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:14, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Here are 10 among numerous examples of quality modern English sources which use the form "La Cumparsita": The New York Times (4th paragraph), The Guardian (9th panel), The Sydney Morning Herald (8th paragraph), The Scotsman (12th paragraph), The Hindu (7th paragraph), The New Zealand Herald (6th paragraph), The Irish Times (20th and 21st paragraphs), The Toronto Star (17th paragraph), Montreal Gazette (8th paragraph) and Ekathimerini (last words). —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Those clearly are not quality

WP:RS for classical / Latin music. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply

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This being the English Wikipedia, those are clearly quality

WP:RS for English orthography, cultural references and information regarding all other subjects throughout the English-speaking world. Authors of specialized resources on classical / Latin music or any other branches of instruction or learning cannot decide to randomly introduce foreign orthography rules into English and expect such rules to be accepted. As evidenced by the above-indicated leading newspapers throughout the English-speaking world, such foreign orthography has not gained traction. The music reviews, such as those in The Times, The Hindu or The New Zealand Herald are written by critics well familiar with classical / Latin music, but also mindful of their newspapers' manual of style. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:13, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply

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• Oppose. As iiu has pointed out, the proper capitalization is common in English works. Sources which incorrectly capitalize the title also wrongly spell the author's surname without diacritics (check your own sources), whereas specialized sources which conform to Spanish orthography get both right. For example, The Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World (Uruguay chapter, pp. 341-346), The Encyclopedia of Latin American Popular Music, Tango: The Art History of Love, The Tango in the United States: A History, The Encyclopedia Americana, etc. A quick search on JSTOR yields similar results. The cover of the music sheet uses stylized text (even "piano" is capitalized), which is not reliable (and it missed, again, the accent on Rodríguez). Neodop (talk) 21:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Announcement of this discussion appears at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English) and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

why? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:28, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In search of additional contributors to this discussion. Other Wikipedians are, of course, free to add such notices at other MOS talk pages, as well as those of music WikiProjects and any other venues which they may deem relevant. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:13, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]