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I see a lot of missed concerts here. To name a few. Bruce Springsteen 1988 Nou Camp 90 000 Bruce Springsteen 1988 Wembley 80 000. Then off course it is proved There was 160 000 paid tickets for his East Berlin concerts. But as there were far to few tickets There was an enormous gate crashing, and some say There was 500 000 people There. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.132.124 (talk) 12:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Paid Concerts"

The phrase "paid concerts" suggests that the performers were paid. But is the intention to describe concerts where a ticket had to be bought? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of highest-attended free concerts. Bluesatellite (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The way it stands at the moment, that sister article is a waste of space. I think someone might reasonably propose an RfD. Alternatively, of course, whatever valid sourced content could be rescued from that article could be integrated here, and we could rename to just "concerts"? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
that sister article here. You have read my reply there, haven't you? We should not combine concerts where people spent their hard-earned money with concerts where people just come in freely. It's a big difference, and that's what this page try to display. Bluesatellite (talk) 15:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Actually, that's just your opinion. I think it would be useful to get the opinions of other editors. Yes, I have read what you have written over there. I replied to it with two requests. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Martinevans123 Yes, that's MY opinion. That's why I spent my time building this article, finding all the reliable sources. Thanks Bluesatellite (talk) 16:11, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree, it's YOUR opinion. But it's not YOUR article. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Never did I say it's MY article. Bluesatellite (talk) 16:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm so glad we can agree on that, even if I am "utterly insane". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This article contains some errors. The previous record before Vasco Rossi was not PaulMcCartney, it was A-ha - 198,000 atendees in Rock in Rio 1991 at Maracana Stadium. I tried to change it but I dont know how. Can someone please do it. Thanks Jakobzetterberg (talk) 22:35, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, Rock in Rio is a multi-artist music festival. A-ha was not the only performer. Bluesatellite (talk) 11:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
and A-ha was not even a single performer. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:07, 5 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Punjabi Singer recently did live concert in dirba where he broke all previous records with 4.7 million Jason jassi44 (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Menudo in Sao Paulo

Menudo performed in front of a 200,000 people paying audience in the Morimbi stadium in Sao Paulo in 1983. They hit 100,000 people in 2 other performances in the same Brazil 1983 tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:5394:1085:3B00:8AC5:5E45:EA94:1218 (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Payne in Dubai

This source says "attracted over 110,000 guests to the park". but does not say it was a free concert. Are there other sources which (a) dispute that figure and/ or (b) state it was a free concert? The Liam Payne article says this with the same source:

"On 30 March 2018, Payne performed in front of more than 100,000 people, after performing at Global Village 2018 in Dubai for 115,000 people.[1]

Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Still no reply: the addition of this appearance is debateable, as it appears in the ticketed concert section, while this website suggests it was a free concert (the current threshold for which is 1 million) Is there any evidence that it was ticketed? Moonraker12 (talk) 22:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's a free concert, so it shouldn't be added here. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Payne performs to over 100k in Dubai". Khaleej Times. Retrieved 31 March 2018.

It wasn’t free concert. Add him again, please. Veronica horan (talk) 10:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add him again! Thanks T.stylinson (talk) 10:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, no honey. It's free. Not even One Direction could attract that amount of audience during their tour. Bluesatellite (talk) 11:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Veronica and T. Are you two sock-puppets from the Liam Payne Arabia fan-club? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have a complaint and I think you have already received several on the same subject the fact is that they have removed the name of Liam Payne from the list of the most popular concerts in the history of a single artist, the which got an audience of 110,000 people on March 30, 2018 at the Global Village stadium in Dubai, there was vandalism from other fans and we would appreciate them adding it back to the list as it is a real achievement and that please prevent this from happening again! Thank you in advance.

Ela (talk) 23:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have seen you have edited Liam Payne's name out of the List of highest-attended concerts several times and I just want to ask you to add him again since he did perform in front of 110,000 people in Dubai at the GLobal Village which gives him the right of being in this list. There is a source that confirms the audience number I'm talking about here and there is also the page of the global village confirming that the concert was in fact not free and people had to pay for a ticket to entry, here. I would really appreciate if this "editing war" ends and people let other people be recognized for their achievements. (if there is any typing or grammar error I am sorry, english is not my mother language). Thank you. Wethequietones (talk) 01:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the entry several times at it was unsourced and I've warned the editor concerned to that effect. There still seems to be some debate as to whether the concert was free or not - this would determine where it was placed, if at all, in the article. But I would agree that the source you've now given does suggest it was ticketed. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What are you doing? Add Liam Payne again. The king did perform for over 100k so it’s only fair you add him. Mai115935 (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just explained what I've done. What's unclear? I think you'd need a source to support any claim he is actually royalty. You've really just created an account so you can add this comment? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But... it is not unsourced... I added a source in my previous comment that comes from a newspaper from Dubai the Khaleej Times in which they mention the number of attendees of the concert. I don't really understand why you can't just add him back (since you can remove the entry I suppose you can also add it back, can't you?) and use the sources that I gave to you. What else do you need? Wethequietones (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very simple. Sourcing like the other entries have. None of them are sourced to a local newspaper story. None. If those sources do not exist, IMO, there is not enough to include this. This constant flow of brand new editors campaigning for it is contributory to that opinion. One source can be manipulated, just as there are people here attempting to manipulate this. When multiple reliable sources, with wide respect for information in this field, such as Billboard, report it, then and only then will we. This is an encyclopedia, not social media. John from Idegon (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the term
WP:SPA springs to mind for some strange reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I was just trying to understand the reasons why the entry I was talking about had been removed. I will not bother you anymore. You both were really helpful. Thank you very much . Wethequietones (talk) 22:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Global Village will be hosting live concerts every Friday at 9pm, with no additional cost at all apart from its AED 15* entry ticket price per person. You have to pay to enter the Global Village, but you don't have to pay anything else to see the artist performing. Many websites confirmed that his performance was free. [1][2][3][4] It's just like some random singer performs in Disneyland. You have to pay to enter the Disneyland, but not specifically for the singer. Go back here if Liam Payne attracts 100,000 people in his own tour or 1,000,000 people in a free concert. Thank you. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:41, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There has now been a series of anon IP and SPA editors which have sprung up to edit war Payne back into the article, without any discussion here (or anywhere else). I wonder if the time is now right to ask for an

WP:SPI? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Diana Ross

Diana Ross Live in Central Park in 1983 was a free concert. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:31, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the picture caption says: "This aerial view of New York's Central Park shows the Great Lawn as hundreds of thousands gathered for a free concert given by Diana Ross on July 21, 1983." But this concert is not currently included in either list. That article claims "450,000 fans". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Springsteen at the Berlin Wall, 19 July 1988

A new source has been presented here, which says this:

"However, Kirschbaum does not know how many actually stood in the East Berlin steppe on July 19, 1988. 160,000 tickets were allegedly sold. How many were faked in the screen printing workshops of the GDR, how many without cards visited the concert like me, loses in the estimates, somewhere between 300,000 and 500,000."

Should the article be amended? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The aim of the first section is actually to show which artist could sell the most tickets in a concert. Not many people can sell 100,000 tickets for their own show, with their own name (without support from festival), not even the hottest pop stars such as
Beyonce (at least for now). Free tickets tend to be inflated (as stated on the article). Bluesatellite (talk) 00:45, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply
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A-ha

I've just noticed that their record is disputed here, because it was Rock in Rio. Well, they were the headliners. And that concert drew 198,000, other acts being there or not. And if the record is good enough for the Guinness Book of Records, it should be good enough for us.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 20:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC) P.S: If you watch videos of that a-ha concert on youtube you can see how packed the stadium still was when they played. Packed to the max. It's certainly not that half of the people or so had left before a-ha went on stage. And apart from the above: festival is not festival. This was not one where there is a huge area where people just hang out at times or even camp. And it wasn't one where there are multiple stages with different acts performing at the same time and you can't say who a certain ticket holder was paying attention to. This was one big stage in a stadium where artists performed after each other, so it was possible to attribute people to the acts. And some of those way over 190,000 people may not have come for a-ha, but obviously they stayed for a-ha. And they weren't camping or having a picnic there, they were attending a-ha's concert.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 07:47, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean with festival is not festival? It was a Rock in Rio event (which is one of the largest music festivals in the world), more than A-ha's own concert. It's not fair at all to compare a festival with an artist's own concert, they're totally different platforms. All those 184,000 people coming to Paul McCartney's concert were all because of Paul himself (with his own name, during his own tour). Bluesatellite (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You say: And that concert drew 198,000, other acts being there or not. That seems a very odd claim and one that would be impossible to prove. Surely many will have attended to see one or more of the other performers? Many will have attended because of this large variety of performers? Yes, Ah-ha may have headlined, but to be fair we'd need to mention all the acts on that bill, not just the headliners? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I meant that not all festivals are the same. And I have described how afaik they can defer. As far as I understand it, a-ha were billed as the main act (or 'headliner') in Rio and the Guinness Book of Records had no problem with attributing the record to a-ha. Why should WP have a problem with attributing it to them? I don't see a basic difference between this a-ha concert, that happened to take place during a festival, and what you call an artist's own concert.
But if you insist on not accepting such concerts into the list, then you should at least make that clear at the beginning of the article where you say what the list is about. And maybe you should also not include free concerts at festivals.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No problem with making things clearer. Does Guinness World Records make it clear who the other acts were at that concert in Rio? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a source saying 198,000 people attended an a-ha concert, we can say that. You don't. So we can't. And all this blather is a waste of time. No one cares what you (or I) think. We report what sources say. In the article on festivals, we can report that 198,000 people attended a festival, and as long as we have sources for it, that a-ha was one of the acts. John from Idegon (talk) 00:34, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
One of the sources I gave says this:"The second Rock in Rio did not end without breaking a record. The biggest paying audience for a show so far had been for the band A-ha, on January 26, inside the festival. No less than 198 thousand people." It's from the Rock in Rio site. If this is not good enough, so be it.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 09:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it sounds better in Brazilian Portuguese? I remain wholly unconvinced. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by this, please? The citation is in English.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 10:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was suggesting that the first language of the Rock in Rio organisers is likely to be Brazilian Portuguese (the website offers three language choices) and that that particular language may allow for some idiomatic use of the phrase “The biggest paying audience for a show so far had been for the band A-ha”, that English does not. But also, regardless of what that source seems to assert, I think we have all agreed that A-ha were not the only performers? That’s a simple fact. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The citation is in correct English as far as I can tell (not being a native speaker myself). No need to speculate that they don't mean what they write. And yes, we agreed that they were not the only performer, but I argument that they were the main act, which you don't seem to care about. Hardly any concert has only one performer, btw. I did my edit in good faith, being surprised that this is not listed. Only then I saw that there were already arguments about it. Sorry about that. I'm not here to lead endless, fruitless arguments about this. WP is not perfect and never will be. That certainly is a fact one has to accept.--Sylvia Anna ([[User talk:Sylvia Anna|talk]) 10:43, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I "don't care" about the fact A-ha were the main act? Maybe I don't. But I wholly agree with you that is also a simple fact. I'm not sure, though that I'd agree "Hardly any concert has only one performer" or even "Hardly any concert has only one act", but that's a separate debate. No, I'm not here to lead "endless, fruitless arguments about this" either. Wikipedia works by consensus. No more to say here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Wikipedia works by consensus." --- Oh, really? That must be the reason I started a discussion here after my edits were reverted instead of reverting it again.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just read this page and am shocked to see Paul McCartney listed as the previous record holder. The record was held by a-ha from 1991, and as already mentioned, it's in the guiness book of records. As I understand it tickets were sold seperatley for each day with different headline acts. The popularity of a-ha in South America is immense, which is exactly why so many tickets were sold for that particular day. It saddens me you won't amend this page to reflect the true record holders. Maisie30 (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Highest attended concerts

I was curious about the attendance in AC/DC concert that was held at River Plate, Buenos Ayres, Argentina and I found this: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ac-dc-rip-it-up-on-live-at-river-plate-album-premiere-248866/ where it says that it was about 200.000 people. Then, I searched for similar concerts and I saw this Wikipedia article but I saw no referance about that concert... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilofcrete (talk • contribs) 09:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • See
    Estadio Monumental Antonio Vespucio Liberti apparently doesn't have enough capacity to hold 200,000 people for one concert. (Actually, Black Ice World Tour says the total attendance for the three shows was 170,630, but you get the idea.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Punjabi Singer recently did Live concert in dirba where he broke all previous records with 4.7 million. Karanjammu (talk) 06:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Punjabi Singer recently did live concert in dirba where he broke all previous records with 4.7 million Jason jassi44 (talk) 07:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Queen got 470 000 in Rio

The Works Tour in 1984/1985 was one of Queen's largest tours and included the Brazil Rock in Rio festival—in which they appeared on stage at two o'clock in the morning in front of 470,000 people during the first night and 250,000 on the second night.

Kult

Polish band kult played for over a milion viewers during Pol'And'Rock Festival — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrako Wiatrako (talk • contribs) 19:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

East Berlin Bruce Springsteen

Is this just sold tickets ? Because I see the correct amount of tickets sold at Eastberlin By Bruce Springsteen : 160 000 tickets. Problem there was the concert sold out immidiately and people got angry When they realised there were No more tickets left and started rushing the concert ground. The guards had to take down all fences and When the concert Started there were 500 000 people there. The reason I Ask this is because When Springsteen played Leeds in 85 there were 80 000 people there and the Crowd behaved very well with just a couple of 100 people jumping the fences. And with that 80 000 people at place confirmed by both police and promotors the place was full. Thats why I believe the Rolling Stones concert in Leeds is wrong completely. If it is completely full at 80 000 I mean there was No more space How can the Stones put in another 40 000 ? This is what I believe: this is just an Urban mouth the one with Rolling Stones. Someone said anumber and noone questioned it. I have never seen a Billboard No from it so I would say Stones had 80 000 as well. The only other reason would be that from 82 to 85 they made the park smaller accounting to 40 000 people. At least Springsteen had exact 80 000 people there confirmed by everybody so the Stones figure seems like a myth. Peter7777ab (talk) 18:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021

The Central Park Concert Dave Matthews 120,000 people Chumlee76 (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You need to provide sources for this. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indio Solari at Olavarría

In march 11th, 2017 in the argentinian city of Olavarría the "Indio" Solari and his stable band "Los fundamentalistas del aire acondicionado" gave a concert with confirmed 190,000 tickets sold and with an estimated attendance of 350,000 people (people broke in with or without tickets by some pointin the night). It should be in at least in the 4th position of ticketed concerts.

BBC - Who is Indio Solari and what is behind one of his massive and frenzied concerts that left two dead in Argentina? Indio Solari en Olavarria: confirman que se vendieron mas entradas que lo permitido At least 190k people paid for tickets for Indio Solari's show at Olavarría

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2021

Another concert should be added: Artist: Ceca (already there with another concert) Date: 14 June 2006 Venue: Usce Park (same as the other concert) Crowd: 130,000 Tour: "Idealno losa" tour 87.116.167.91 (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ceca 2006

Another concert should be added: Artist: Ceca (already there with another concert) Date: 17 June 2006 Venue: Usce Park (same as the other concert) Crowd: 130,000 Tour: "Idealno losa" tour Source: https://archive.ph/20120904044705/http://www.mondo.rs/v2/tekst.php?vest=21100 87.116.167.91 (talk) 16:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Source estimates 100,000 - 150,000. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

metalica 1991

why is the moscow concert not on here with a crown of 1.6 million it dwarfs all on your list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.90.229 (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tarkan at Izmir on 2022

Earlier today, the attendance was listed as 2,000,000. The citation for that claim (https://www.haberler.com/haberler/tarkan-konserine-kac-kisi-katildi-izmir-tarkan-15262504-haberi/) explicitly states "No statement has been made yet about how many people attended Tarkan's Izmir concert. However, it is known that Gundogdu Square, where the concert was held, has a capacity of between 1.5 million and 2 million." (translated using Google Translate). The number was upped to 5,000,000 later in an edit without any citations. We can guesstimate an upper bound as to how many people have attended. A generous estimate of the concert area is 150,000 m^2. This includes the entire Gundogdu Square, Cumhuriyet Square and even some of the connected streets. Assuming 5 people per square meter as an upper limit (https://www.gkstill.com/Support/crowd-density/CrowdDensity-1.html) We can conclude that the attendance is most likely less than 750,000. To actually get a proper estimate, one would have to remove the areas taken up by concert equipment and take into account that the density of people likely decreases the farther away they are from the center of the concert. Unless there is a significant collection of people watching the concert from afar, like the other coastal park on the map that is over a kilometer away from Gundogdu Square, it is hard to believe any claim of attendance that is over a million. Gclooney61 (talk) 10:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to add that the given sources for this piece of information are problematic as well. The current source [40] does not even mention the number of the people attended the concert. The sources [42] and [43] are just small pieces of low-quality journalism that does not mention any other source while suggesting that "it is estimated that over a million attended." The source [41] also states that the number is just an estimation (again with no source), while also stating no official declaration has been made about the number of attendants. Yanech (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I absolutely agree with your comments. There is no data on the exact number in any of the reference sites shared, and sites such as the analysis site (teyit.org) share data that this number may only be 1 million, with calculations and analyzes made in different ways. This concert continues to be added persistently because it is extremely important for the opposition in Turkey. Although I have made the necessary arrangements on both en.wiki and en.wiki pages, they rearrange the page within 1 minute. When the official data is shared, I will add it here, until then, I think the concert should be removed from the list. Hkncavdar (talk) 06:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
this source says the city officials estimate it to be between 300-500 thousand people, which makes more sense given Izmir's population, even if people from neighbouring places did travel there. Xia talk to me 11:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This news agency is biased. The "teyit.org" site I mentioned in the comment above says that they could not contact any official institution (currently at the weekend, official institutions are not working). Of course you are right; considering the city population, 300-500 thousand people are more likely to attend. Hkncavdar (talk) 14:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022

The venue for the Garth Brooks concert that took place 30 April 2022 released final numbers for the concert that are higher than those currently listed. According to a new mural located at the stadium venue, the final attendance for the concert is 103,883. Daxterdd (talk) 23:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kylie Minogue at Glastonbury??

Are concerts that took place as part of music festivals eligible for inclusion? Because Kylie Minogue’s 2019 performance at the Glastonbury festival was widely reported to have had a crowd in excess of 100,000

https://www.ft.com/content/af6b830a-9c07-11e9-9c06-a4640c9feebb SecretName101 (talk) 06:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also if such concerts are not eligible, the lede of the article should say so explicitly SecretName101 (talk) 06:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tracking

--Apoxyomenus (talk) 20:44, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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