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The word is written in Thai with a "Chaw chang" (= ch) and is pronounced "chee". So why is it written "ji" in this entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.90.155.1 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 17 July 2006

Most of the time I've seen it in print as mae chi- Thai transliteration is often counter-intuitive. When I search Google, most of the hits for mae ji are about female renunciants in Thailand; most of the hits for mae chi seem to be conversations in Welsh. I've also seen the one word transliteration maechi and maeji- all of them should probably redirect to the same article, whatever it's 'named'. I'm not sure why mae ji seems to be the more standard transliteration, but then I also couldn't tell you why my favorite Thai food is often written as larb kai instead of lhap gai, like it sounds. --Clay Collier 08:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to Maechi, which is the most supported move target among participants. bd2412 T 22:27, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mae ji → Mae chee – The Thai word "แม่ชี" is pronounced "Mae chee." This spelling is commonly used as I referred to in the article and besides you can see it in this ebook "Mae Chee Kaew". --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 17:26, 1 May 2015 (UTC) พุทธามาตย์ (talk) 04:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Oppose, and counter with suggested move to maechi instead. It's not pronounced "mae chee", it's pronounced IPA:
ISBN 978-0791428436.. thai mae ji, thai mae chi and thai mae chee Ogress smash! 05:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply
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It's also pronounced and spelled "mae chee" depending on the rules we use. That's why we founded many texts use that spelling. I don't object to the spelling "mae chi." However "ee" is more similar to /iː/, while "ji" is totally error. --พุทธามาตย์ (talk) 10:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The form "mae chee" does not involve actual romanisation rules; it is an ad-hoc romanisation. Maechi is the form according to the Royal Thai General System of Transcription and - like it or not - mae ji also appears in scholarly materials with a high frequency. It would seem reasonable to employ the form promulgated by the National Academy of Thailand in charge of academic works of the government, the RTGS, rather than a random, ad-hoc "it is pronounced like this" form. The RTGS has a long and respected history. Ogress smash! 12:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I said I don't object to the RTGS spelling, but to "mae ji" that you tried to retain. This spelling is obviously more error of romanization, though its frequent appearance. Anyways, I appreciate that now you support "mae chi". --พุทธามาตย์ (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: the RT system suggests maechi without spacing; there is textual support in the examples I gave; I emend my statements suggesting mae chi to maechi. Ogress smash! 21:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Having considered the RTGS rules of transliteration, now I agree with Ogress and support the spelling "maechi". --พุทธามาตย์ (talk) 03:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion: I guess the letter 'j' is used in 'mae ji' (แม่ชี) because the word 'ชี' is from जी (jī), a term of respect in Sanskrit. There are some people that love to romanise Thai words according to their origins rather than their actual pronunciation. For example, Srirasmi (from Sanskrit sriraśmi, 'splendid halo') is actually pronounced sirat in Thai, Rasmijoti (from Sanskrit raśmijyōti, 'brightness of halo') is actually pronounced ratsamichot in Thai, Punyodyana (from Sanskrit puṇyōdyāna, 'park of merits') is actually pronounced bunyothayan in Thai, etc. --iudexvivorum (talk) 05:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opinion: According to the RTGS, the term will be romanised as maechi (without spacing), not mae chi. The RTGS rules (Government Gazette - page 12 (in Thai)) say that a romanised compound should be written without spaces between the stems that form it. For example, ลูกเสือ [from ลูก (luk) + เสือ (suea), meaning 'boy scout'] is advised to be romanised as luksuea, not luk suea. --iudexvivorum (talk) 09:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll emend my statement above to clarify. Ogress smash! 21:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@พุทธามาตย์: The article has been relisted for further comment given our lack of agreement. I emended my vote to maechi through our discussion, will you not vote for maechi as well? You said you agreed it was acceptable above. @George Ho: Can the initiating editor relist the requested move to maechi should they so desire to change it? I'm not sure what wiki policy is on things like that. @Iudexvivorum:, do you have a vote to contribute? You are certainly a contributor to the conversation. Ogress smash! 20:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Um... why not say "move to Maechi" instead? There is no need to change proposal. --George Ho (talk) 20:17, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for my slow reply. I vote for the spelling "maechi" too. --พุทธามาตย์ (talk) 03:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I also support maechi. --iudexvivorum (talk) 03:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support
    Mae chi over the current title) per comments above. —  AjaxSmack  02:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support
    Mae chi or Maechi. The separately spelled variant seems to be more common in English-language literature, therefore would be my first preference (see e.g. Karma Lekshe Tsomo, ed., Innovative Buddhist Women, 2013; D. K. Swearer, The Buddhist World of Southeast Asia, 2010; A. Whiting, C. Evans, Mixed Blessings: Laws, Religions and Women's Rights in the Asia-Pacific Region, 2006; M. Lindberg Falk, Women in Between: Becoming Religious Persons in Thailand, 2000). The other variant would be perfectly acceptable as well. --RJFF (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Details related to the status of bhikkhunīs in Thailand should be moved either to Bhikkhunī#Thailand or Buddhism in Thailand#Position of women, leaving only a mention of it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:9000:2000:16:0:0:0:A44D (talk) 13:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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