Talk:Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard

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"...as for the rest of it, it was just a fantasy song. I'm not sure that it meant anything, although there was a sort of a famous interpretation of it here by Truman Capote that said it was all about homosexual experience in the schoolyard.

That you'd had or he'd had ?

Certainly not that I'd had. I don't know the reason, but that's what he thought the song was about."

From [1]. Frencheigh 05:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever hear Simon sing this song? He doesn't sing "... every time that Jane gets mentioned, Well Papa said O if I get that Jane, I'm going to put her in a STY of detention." He sings (on serveral recordings) "every time *my name* gets mentioned", "Oh, if I get *that boy*" and "I'm gonna put *him* in a house of detention. No Jane, nor "her" involved here. Best wishes ... 87.79.161.50 (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this article contain a long, rambling argument to support the homosexual relationship interpretation with nothing to back it up? It may be fact that it has been interpreted that way, and it may be fact that some of these points have been used to support that, but those facts would need to be presented as something like, "I.M. Listening argued in a book entitled Fifty Ways to Obscure Your Meaning that the lyrics speak of..." A sourceless argument for one interpretation is just opinionated conjecture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.148.210.45 (talk) 01:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My interpretation was that the mother and father are the parents of "Rosie", and not of the protagonist. I had assumed that the mother saw the protagonist and her daughter in some compromising situation which was "against the law". I had assumed this was under-aged sex, where both of the parties are below the age of consent, which is often 16 years old, but this varies from year to year and in different jurisdictions.

Rosie's parent's made an issue of it, brought in the police, and the "radical priest" stepped in to defend the protagonist, leading to them all getting photographed for the cover of Newsweek.

--Eugene Girard (talk) 15:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You forgot about Julio. :P Salvar (talk) 04:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The song states, "when the mama found out". This is not the protagonist's (singer's) mama, but presumably the "mama" of Rosie. Rosie is the "Queen of Corona". Corona has a few meanings, but the obvious ones here, as defined by Merriam Webster online, are ": the projecting part of a classic cornice", or : "an appendage or series of united appendages on the inner side of the corolla in some flowers (as the daffodil, jonquil, or milkweed) or: "a long cigar having the sides straight to the end to be lit and being roundly blunt at the other end." Clearly this song is written about two young boys receiving felatio from Rosie "down by the schoolyard". Thus Rosie is the queen of felatiio, or "head". In some places in the States it is still illegal for even adults to give/receive oral sex, let alone "schoolkids". Sheesh, it doesn't take a genius. This entry is terrible.

Acgogo (talk) 07:45, 9 October 2014 (UTC)I think "Me and Julio" and "Only Living Boy in New York" make strange bedfellows - so to speak.Acgogo (talk) 07:45, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just to point out what any New Yorker listening to the song would know: Corona is a neighborhood in Queens.184.153.113.2 (talk) 23:32, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

               roMEo & JULIet
Good-bye to    RO__O_______E_   
See?    You,   __Me_ & Julio_   down by the schoolyard.

Turns out it was a cryptic crossword clue.

"Deletions consist of beheadments, curtailments, and internal deletions." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crossword#Deletions

Romeo and Juliet, One beheadment, one internal deletion, and one slightly imperfect curtailment, and one masterpiece becomes the title for another. Me and Julio, down by the schoolyard.

Also : - "The House of Detention" was a WOMEN'S prison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Women%27s_House_of_Detention

I cracked this one a few days ago. Any thoughts on how to revise the song page? And may I erase the abuse above? Prophit1970 (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You don't put it in at all. There's a rule on Wikipedia:

reliable sources

, you can't get it added to the article.

unsigned edit by User:Captainktainer

Hello, unsigned editor. By original research, did you mean:

a) Cross-referencing the NY House of Detention article? or b) Observing that Ro-o + Me = Romeo ?

Both of those may be verified easily - in Wikipedia, or by listening to the lyrics. (sign your edits.) Prophit1970 (talk) 08:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the observation that's OR, it's your conclusion that this was the meaning of the lyrics and not, say, a random coincidence. (I could just as easily speculate that Sammy and Rosie Get Laid is a reference to Sam and Rose Gamgee, but that doesn't mean I get to put it in Wikipedia.) --GenericBob (talk) 10:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And anyway the test is, has this analysis been made previously in a third-party reliably published source? If not, as Captainktainer said, it's out per

WP:NOR. 86.148.153.199 (talk) 15:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Surely the fact that, located in the heart of Paul Simon's New York City, "The House of Detention" was a WOMEN'S prison is a relevant observation, pertaining to the established argument in favor of a homosexual interpretation?Prophit1970 (talk) 19:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"House of detention" is a general term for 'prison'. Maybe Simon was referring to the NY women's prison of that name; maybe he was referring to some other real-world prison; maybe he simply wanted to say 'prison' and went through the thesaurus looking for something that fit into the structure of his verse. Unless you can find a notable source that offers this analysis, it's OR. --GenericBob (talk) 05:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

..is what's that noise called they make in the song that sounds like a cross between a dog barking and a dove cooing ? 70.131.101.242 (talk) 18:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned about a reference in the video section, where it says that Julio died at P.S. 220. What is this in reference to? It's not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Is it correct? If not, it should probably be removed or amended.

Here's the sentence, cut and paste:

It was also the same neighborhood where Julio, the subject of the song, had died in nearby P.S. 220.

I was specifically looking for backstory on the song when I called up the article, and more info on Julio, such as whether or not he was based on a real person, is one of the things I was looking for, so this is right up that alley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.2.239 (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The slang term "emcees" should not be used in an encyclopaedia.Royalcourtier (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Video section mentions Halsey JHS in Forest Hills. First, Halsey is in Rego Park, not Forest Hills. Second, while I haven't been able to find any confirmation as to which one Paul Simon went to, assuming his bio page is correct in saying he lived in Kew Garden Hills, Russell Sage JHS in Forest Hills seems far more likely. Finally, is there any justification for saying either of these was the basis for the song or video? The song only mentions Corona, and while I can't swear that Corona didn't feed Halsey or Sage, that doesn't feel right. GaryFx (talk) 23:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]