Talk:Mirpur, Azad Kashmir

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On 8 November 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mirpur, Pakistan to Mirpur, Azad Kashmir. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 28 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Mirpur. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Cleanup is badly needed - especially on the surroundings section. I am not very experienced in this so I have flagged it so that someone can do a good job. The POV and general unprofessional nature of the article make it read more of a advertisement for certain areas rather than a encyclopaedia entry. 87.194.26.229 03:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was forced to revert the removal of the cleanup and advertisement tag - no reason was given by the user for removal and the article is still in the same state as before 87.194.26.229 21:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am planning to do a complete rewrite of this article about Mirpur, It will include history, culture and language aspects with proper references. I expect to do this before mid May 2007.

It would be nice if there were some pictures to be seen. I'm from England but my parents were born and brought up in Pakistan and it would be nice to see images of their home land.

I'm sure you'll find these photos most interesting,[1] enjoy! 82.47.146.235 16:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please note the Mirour is not officiially twinned or classed as a 'Sister City' with any location in the UK. Friendship status has been bestwoed on the other hand so unless conclusive proof can be provided any thing stating this will be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taswar123 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The website link at the bottom of the infobox is no longer working. Does any local area user know if the MDA has closed down, or is it just that their system is down? Richard Harvey (talk) 23:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of POK: The use of POK is very biased and is an Indian term for Pakistan administered Kashmir. Correct word is Azad Kashmir or to be politicaly neutral "Pakistan Administered Kashmir" should be used. Wiki articles should be neutral and not be biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditaksar (talk • contribs) 00:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Almost everyone in Mirpur knows somebody living in England. This article really should mention something about the huge number of Mirpuri people that form part of the

Thanks, I will edit the article soon Sansonic (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I have deleted some of the twinned cities is because most of them were wrong. I referenced all the ones i could find however manchester is twinned with faisalabad not mirpur and maidenhead, luton, leeds, nottingham, newcastle, oldham and slough are not twinned with mirpur. if u can prove that they are and reference it go right ahead but i've done a lot of searching for them but they simply are not twinned with mirpur Hrh80 (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Both India and Pakistan want this land; Pakistan has controlled it for a long time. I just reverted some user's edits changing this from Pakistani land to Indian. Anyone wanting to change the article in this way ought to state their reasoning on this board. Blue Rasberry 00:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Could an interwiki for मीर पोर be added?

Done, thanks. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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86.181.72.156 (talk) 15:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC) Raja Munshi Khan Lamberdar of village Chawala near Tahsil Charhoi was famous elder of the District Mirpur, He died in 1942.[reply]

Not done: Welcome. Please provide a reliable source for this information and to establish notability. Thanks.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=TvkpSbmwrf8C&pg=PA115&dq=mirpur&hl=en&ei=QGvQTZWqEMnq0QGit5T0DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mirpur&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.40.129 (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following coordinate fixes are needed for mirpur azad kashmir

Latitude Longitude 33.15110 73.73602

—Ditaksar (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Sumanch (talk) 14:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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• Dr. A. Q. Khan School System Mirpur Azad Kashmir

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conflict of interest guidelines. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Can anyone give a justification for having a 'Surroundings' section in the current format? There is nothing of the sort suggested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure along those lines. Perhaps a Geography section, which could include some text on the surroundings and the content from Climate, could be added in due course. Meanwhile 'Surroundings' might best be deleted as being off topic.SovalValtos (talk) 20:13, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - as often happens, some editors appear confused about the scope of the article - it is about Mirpur City - Mirpur District is a separate article, which should deal with the "surroundings" - Arjayay (talk) 09:30, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Various scholars have written on the Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir), The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846). But very little of that text is on wikipedia.

Maharaja gulab Singh originally worked for the Sikh Empire. But then betrayed the Sikh empire by siding with the East India Company in the Anglo-Sikh War. His name is mentioned in the treaty of Lahore too. He collected Taxes for the East India Company and the money was then given by him to the East India Company.

The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846) lapsed under Article 7 of the Independence Act 1947. The Act was passed by the British Parliament on July 18, 1947 to assent to the creation of the independent states of India and Pakistan. The aforementioned Article 7 provides that, with the lapse of His Majesty’s suzerainty over the Indian states, all treaties, agreements, obligations, grants, usages and sufferance’s will lapse.

The 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur (Sikh) was under the control of the East India company when he sign The Treaty of Lahore on 9 March 1846 which gave Jammu and Kashmir and its people to the East India Company.

Under the British legal system and international law a treaty signed by the 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur and under duress is not valid. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)

We may need to add a section on the impact on the removal of Article 370 of the Indian constitution on The Instrument of Accession too. None of this text is on there.

Various scholars have written on these treaties, for example Alistair Lamb disputed the validity of the Instrument of Accession in his paper Myth of Indian Claim to JAMMU & KASHMIR –– A REAPPRAISAL'

Where he writes "While the date, and perhaps even the fact, of the accession to India of the State of Jammu & Kashmir in late October 1947 can be questioned, there is no dispute at that time any such accession was presented to the world at large as conditional and provisional. It was not communicated to Pakistan at the outset of the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu & Kashmir, nor was it presented in facsimile to the United Nations in early 1948 as part of the initial Indian reference to the Security Council. The 1948 White Paper in which the Government of India set out its formal case in respect to the State of Jammu & Kashmir, does not contain the Instrument of Accession as claimed to have been signed by the Maharajah: instead, it reproduces an unsigned form of Accession such as, it is implied, the Maharajah might have signed. To date no satisfactory original of this Instrument as signed by the Maharajah has been produced: though a highly suspect version, complete with the false date 26 October 1947, has been circulated by the Indian side since the 1960s. On the present evidence it is by no means clear that the Maharaja ever did sign an Instrument of Accession.

Indian troops actually began overtly to intervene in the State’s affairs on the morning of 27 October 1947

It is now absolutely clear that the two documents (a) the Instrument of Accession, and (c) the letter to Lord Mountbatten, could not possibly have been signed by the Maharajah of Jammu & Kashmir on 26 October 1947. The earliest possible time and date for their signature would have to be the afternoon of 27 October 1947. During 26 October 1947 the Maharajah of Jammu & Kashmir was travelling by road from Srinagar to Jammu. (The Kashmir State Army divisions and the Kashmiri people had already turned on him and he was on the run and had no authority in the state). His new Prime Minister, M.C. Mahajan, who was negotiating with the Government of India, and the senior Indian official concerned in State matters, V.P. Menon, were still in New Delhi where they remained overnight, and where their presence was noted by many observers. There was no communication of any sort between New Delhi and the travelling Maharajah. Menon and Mahajan set out by air from New Delhi to Jammu at about 10.00 a.m. on 27 October; and the Maharajah learned from them for the first time the result of his Prime Minister’s negotiations in New Delhi in the early afternoon of that day. The key point, of course, as has already been noted above, is that it is now obvious that these documents could only have been signed after the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu & Kashmir on 27 October 1947. When the Indian troops arrived at Srinagar air field, that State was still independent. Any agreements favourable to India signed after such intervention cannot escape the charge of having been produced under duress. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)"

Additionally Maharaja was on the run. The prevailing international practice on the recognition of state governments is based on the following three factors: first, the government’s actual control of the territory; second, the government’s enjoyment of the support and obedience of the majority of the population; third, the government’s ability to stake the claim that it has a reasonable expectation of staying in power. The situation on the ground demonstrates that the Maharaja was not in control of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and was fleeing for his life and almost all of Kashmir was under the control of the Kashmiri people and the Kashmiri Army that had rebelled against him. His own troops had turned on him. With regard to the Maharaja’s control over the local population, it is clear that he enjoyed no such control or support. The people of Kashmir had been sold by the East India Company and he charged them high taxes thetefore the Kashmir Muslims, Hindus Pandits and Buddhists hated him. Furthermore, the state’s armed forces were in total disarray after most of the men turned against him and he was running for his life. Finally, it is highly doubtful that the Maharaja could claim that his government had a reasonable chance of staying in power without Indian military intervention. This assumption is substantiated by the Maharaja’s letters.

Many of these treaties apply to Jammu and Kashmir. The Kashmir conflict is already on Wikipedia. It is internationally recognized as a disputed territory under various United United Nations resolutions that are already listed on Wikipedia Nations Security Council Resolution 47, Nations Security Council Resolution 39,mediation of the Kashmir dispute, Nations Commission for India and Pakistan. There is a lot of documentation on Jammu and Kashmir in the UN archives already. If you look at the page Kashmir conflict, it already contains sections on the "Indian view", "Pakistani view", "Chinese view", "Kashmiri views". May be we could do something like that with these treaty pages. The Treaty of Lahore was signed in 9 March 1846 and the Treaty of Amritsar 16 March 1846. They predate the creation of both modern day India and Pakistan. The Treaty of Lahore was signed between the Sikh Empire and the British government. It is an international treaty and comes under international law. Johnleeds1 (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Johnleeds1 what specific changes do you have in mind for improving the article?SovalValtos (talk) 14:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This section needs to be verified, or removed. From what I can see, none of the sources are reliable or are according to