Talk:New Zealand national cricket team

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Use of flags in squad table

I'm really concerned that the use of flags to add details regarding teams most recently played against in the squad table is an obvious problem with regard to:

  • making the table too wide to be helpful;
  • breaching
    MOS:FLAGS
    which is clear on how we should be using flags with text;
  • specifically creating issues for users who do not see flags because they have that functionality turned off;
  • creating accessibility issues for users operating screen readers and the like;
  • adding complex syntax to something that needs to be simple because it's often edited by inexperienced editors

Updating the table of "squad" members is an issue in itself as often there isn't so much a squad for home series. Adding a purely visual way of representing data within the table strikes me as a very bad idea itself.

The additions of this data in this format is very recent on a number of articles about national cricket teams and strikes me as an incredibly bad way of presenting this information. I'm sure that an additional table or diagrammatic which uses text to do this would be a better option. Just adding the season last played isn't a dreadful idea - the flag to represent something that should be text and the overloading of tables are my primary issues. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to have upset you with my "bad" editing skills, although, as I understand it every single page about a national cricket team has 3 columns in the 'squad' or 'current squad' menu regarding each players last match, (in that particular version of the sport), within the last year, as I have started to make. In summary, while your claims were just and totally respected by me, this is a communal editing site and I was just trying to provide upkeep on an already thriving Wikipedia page. Yours Julius Hardware. Julius Hardware (talk) 21:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't addressed any of the MOS and accessibility issues I raised above. Just because someone - you say you, but this account has few edits, so which account(s) are we talking about here - has made changes which create these problems elsewhere and not been challenged it doesn't mean these sorts of things are in anyway OK. If you can address the issues I've raised and/or show a wider support for these problems then we can discuss it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please state in your reply if I can go through with the edits, thanks again Julius Hardware. Julius Hardware (talk) 04:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be OK if I used words instead. E.g. "India national cricket team 2023". Or "India 2023"? Julius Hardware (talk) 09:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Words are clearly better than flags. The problem them is that we end up with a super wide table. It's less bad in the NZ case, but with something like Australia where we have state team, BB team, contract type and so on, that's really going to cause problems.
I wonder if a solution might be to have a standard squad list table - sort of like this one, although I think I'd lose the Forms column. Anything significant relating to that can go in the Notes column (for example, if someone only plays T20Is like, probably Milne). Then we find a way to add the sort of information you're talking about in some other way. I just don't quite know how or what this might end up looking like - perhaps something along the lines of "recent participation" as a sub-section? I'm just not sure what that would look like.
Another option might be to remove the rep team column to narrow the table, although I'm not sure that's necessarily going to be enough - I'm using a pretty wide monitor and it's starting to push things. My gut feeling is to see what it looks like on a phone screen turned landscape.
I've tidied the prose section a bit. It might be better to add a note for anyone uncapped rather than to use italics which cause some problems for screen readers. I've asked for some clarification on two points in the prose intro. Can you provide that?
I'd suggest that we work on this article and the Dutch one first and see if we can get something that looks OK. Then we can go to the wiki project and ask for a wider set of opinions. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that, I am currently using a mobile device, and, turned landscape, I can clearly see the entirety of the table as it stands. I think your idea is a good one and is both following Wikipedia guidelines and making it easier for people to quickly understand the details within the page. Another question I had was seeing as you are a highly experienced Wikipedia editor, why can you not use flags in a table, (according to MOS)? Julius Hardware (talk) 06:40, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to add recent participation into the table, you can remove what you want to make space. Julius Hardware (talk) 20:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shakib 116.58.205.150 (talk) 10:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Results summary is overcomplicated

Series and matches are listed separately. The series tab should be removed and only overall matches listed. Calmkelp (talk) 17:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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