Talk:Night Shift (short story collection)
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I have re-added in the statement ' "Night Surf" is thought to be the inspiration for The Stand, considered by many fans to be one of King's greatest books. ' as, although it would appear to be subjective supposition, it is a highly held opinion:
"One of King's most popular works..." Stanley Wiater, et. al. "The Stephen King Universe: A Guide to the Worlds of the King of Horror" Renaissance Books 2001 pp. 81
"...still retains its exalted status as the fans' favorite Stephen King novel." Spignesi, Stephen J. "The Essential Stephen King" Career Press 2001 pp. 19 (listed as #2 on Spignesi's top ten in the same volume)
"...the novel is a favorite among King Readers... (A Castle Rock [The now defunct King Fan Club newsletter] poll showed that its subscribers overwhelmingly voted The Stand as their favorite King novel. In another poll taken by a San Francisco-based talk-show hostess, The Stand was the all-time favorite of listeners." Beahm, George "The Stephen King Companion" Andrews and McNeel 1989 pp. 277
"...one of King's most successful works..." Collings, Michael R. "The Annotated Guide to Stephen King..." Starmount Press, Inc. 1986 pp. 17
and even in King's own words: "...The Stand has always been the novel my readers have loved the best..." King, Stephen Forward to "The Gunslinger: The Dark Tower I" (revised edition) Viking/Penguin Group p. XIX
This passage, although subjective, is well reinforced by the authoritarians in the King field. Additionally, it helps to illustrate the importance of the "Night Surf" story. LACameraman 23:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Those references are (marginally) enough to make me OK with the "considered by fans" remark (you should cite one or two, particularly the polls, in the article, as such a statement will otherwise be questioned by others), but they don't support "thought to be the inspiration for original research. Brendan Moody 23:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)]
- Understood. As I'm still new to Wikipedia editing, I'm at a little of a loss as to how to work in the references. Just as footnotes? Expand the paragraph to include the references? Any advice would be appreciated.
In regard to the "inspiration" comment - this is a little more sketchy. "Containing key imagery and situations that developed into The Stand..." Collings, Michael R. "The Annotated Guide to Stephen King..." Starmount Press, Inc. 1986 pp. 41
"King's trial cut on Captain Trips was "Night Surf" ..." Beahm, George "Stephen King From A to Z" Andrews McNeel 1998 pp. 28
"...forshawdows The Stand..." Beahm, George "Stephen King From A to Z" Andrews McNeel 1998 pp. 151
"inspiration... [for The Stand] "Night Surf" short story..." Beahm, George "Stephen King From A to Z" Andrews McNeel 1998 pp. 201
"[Captain Trips] had its beginnings in a story story called "Night Surf"..." Stanley Wiater, et. al. "The Stephen King Universe: A Guide to the Worlds of the King of Horror" Renaissance Books 2001 pp. 82
"...a precursor to The Stand..." Stanley Wiater, et. al. "The Stephen King Universe: A Guide to the Worlds of the King of Horror" Renaissance Books 2001 pp. 190
There is no direct quote from King, as far as I can find, that links these two stories definitely. Although the connection to The Stand is what makes this story important in the King catalog. I think this is best supported by the 1st citation above from Michael Collings. Thoughts? LACameraman 00:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think the Collings or the Beahm from p. 201 would be good enough. As for how to insert references, you can check out Wikipedia:References#How_to_cite_sources; however, I've been here for months, and I'm still having a hard time following it, so it may confuse you. (Or perhaps it's just me that doesn't get it.;)) The bottom line is that citing the information in some way is more important than how you do it. I'll add some references in footnote form based on the quotes above, and we'll see what you think about it.
- Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way. Sorry if it seems like I'm giving you a hard time; it's just that most people who insert comments like these don't have the sources to back them up. Brendan Moody 02:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've added a couple footnotes. The references themselves aren't in any established format (MLA vs. APA vs. Harvard); if you want to change them so that they are, go right ahead. Brendan Moody 02:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Brendan - I took a look at the additions you made and I feel a bit foolish that I couldn't have done that myself (I've done it on other pages - although I'm learning from your markup and seeing that you have done it better than I have on other pages) - somehow without having a section already for "references" I was foolishly disinclined to add one. Not sure why. And - no problem with your comments at all - I don't feel like you're giving me a hard time at all. In fact, I welcome the challenging of my contributions - I think that's part of what makes Wiki great. You've forced me to strengthen the information I've provided and that is merely for the benefit of readers from here on in. Thanks for your patience. LACameraman 06:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
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memorable quotes - POV
The "Memorable Quotes" section is completely point of view; subjective to anybody who reads the collection. I am removing it. --MwNNrules (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)