Talk:Ocean Eyes (song)

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Dhoffryn I'm uncomfortable with a direct link to DropBox and a PDF file because of the chance for malicious content. There's no way to veriy the source of the file, and no way to know it's not without a malicious payload. Your comment said "just click on latest accreditations" at the aria.com.au site, but I don't see any such link there. Regardless, the edit I reverted introduced an error by cuasing the "certAustralia" reference definition -- still in use in the article -- to be undefined. That error should not be reintroduced. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it's not preferred sourcing but when it is an official websites that are re-directing to those links then it's valid. There were some valid accepted cases where at the the time official Facebook site of amprofon (mexican certifications) were presenting certifications through Facebook. You can find it displeasing but it is on you. It's not it's like some random unknown blog presenting it but if it's actual official sites presenting it's then it's a whole another case. Dhoffryn (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the edit you made introduced a referencing error. Please correct that error before re-establishing it. -- Mikeblas (talk) 23:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what error? Aria charts has changed their representation of their certs on their site, now they simply represent their new certifications through dropbox page. Really truly as simple as that. Get it on with the times. Dhoffryn (talk) 00:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the version you keep restoring. That version contains the text being awarded a 8× platinum certification by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) in 2023 with a footnote named "certAustralia". But the "certAustralia" footnote isn't correctly dfined, and that generates an error: "Cite error: The named reference certAustralia was invoked but never defined (see the help page)." Maybe the easiest way to see this error is to hover over the footnote and see the error in the tooltip.

Before this edit, the "certAustralia" reference is correctly defined and there is no error. With the code you keep reintroducing despite being notified that it's a problem, the error appears. I'm not intimately familiar with the library of templates used by music articles, but I figure the problem is in the parameters given to the {{Certification Table Entry}} template.

Also, the dubious dropbox link is covered by the wikipedia

WP:CONLINK

policy. There's no connection that makes it evident that the document on dropbox was provided by ARIA. Since this is site-wide policy, it's not just "on me"; it's a problem that needs to be remedied. Since we don't know the provenance of that docment, there's a risk it's not correct, not actually provided by the claimed source, and might even be copyvio -- all issues that make it an unacceptable reference.

In your edit summary you said there was a link I could follow from the ARIA site to find the document. But the instructions you gave didn't work. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing is wonky and weird redirecting but is under latest accreditations February singles 2024

"There's no connection that makes it evident that the document on dropbox was provided by ARIA"

?????? Are you even serious with this one. It is quite literally sourced from aria page. Dhoffryn (talk) 01:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I'm serious. If you're able to provide a link to the page at aria.com.au, then that would clear thing up. -- Mikeblas (talk) 03:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.aria.com.au/accreditations -> latest accreditations Dhoffryn (talk) 06:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! That helps a lot, and its earlier presentation would've greatly shortened our conversation. It does seem the AIRA posts these documents to dropbox, which is remarkable for a few different reasons. As awkward as it is, it seems the posts are legitimate even if not readily traceable to AIRA as a source.

Looks like the intention is to use a newer version of that document than the templates support referencing automatically. This article invokes {{Certification Table Entry}} with region=Australia, and that template invokes {{Certification Table Entry/Region}}. Without a certref= parameter, it will also invoke {{Certification Cite Ref}}, passing along the region value. To produce a reference, that template in turn invokes {{Cite certification}}, which turns around to call {{Certification Cite/URL}} with region=Australia, passing along the citeyear parameter. It is, finally, at {{Certification Cite/URL}} that the URL for the reference is produced.

But {{Certification Cite/URL}} doesn't support any citeyear newer than 2023. To cite the new document, a different mechanism is necessary. Further, the reference is used elsewhere in the article to substantiate a claim in prose about the certification. Notably, the edit made by FireDragonValo did half the job because it updated only the table and not the prose -- a common problem in these song charting articles.

That edit also added a chartref parameter to the {{Certification Table Entry}} template in question, which prevents it from emitting its own reference, and therefore prevents it from naming any reference with the supplied refname parameter. Despite your claim to the opposite, this is what caused the undefined referencing error. Because the interplay between these parameters is not documented by the template, it wasn't easy to track this down.

After reverse engineering this crazy knot of templates, I've made a fix that includes the new dropbox reference, updates the prose, and fixes the table. Now, the article contains fully updated information and does not generate referencing errors. -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]