Talk:Ogaden War

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BetacommandBot 21:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the fact box, it was said that China supported the Somalis. I don't see anything that supports this claim. It looks like it's the US which supplied the Somalis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.91.213 (talk) 11:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, China sent some small arms and artillery pieces, nothing significant. Their support was mostly diplomatic, i.e., denouncing Soviet

Bob19191 (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

biased how, could you ilaborate more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee888 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article says 400 Cubans died? of 6000 or so deployed, yeah right, the fact of matter is the Cubans crushed the Somalis with little effort, and certainly did not lose this many killed, maybe killed and wounded put together (ie its common that for every dead you have 3-5 wounded so on). Somebody provide the factual numbers please.

Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.217.247 (talk) 01:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your source can't be 'Yea right'. Those communists definitely were slaughtered. 92.2.168.236 (talk) 08:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Was the Haud "returned" to Ethiopia in 1948? The article on the Haud implies otherwise.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there no info at the immense speed of the Somali advance? It has been frequently been called a lightning offensive. AcidSnow (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was indeed a quick advance by the Somalian forces,

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Yah is the common name. AcidSnow (talk) 21:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, AcidSnow. Middayexpress (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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the source does not mention support but "attempt of support", i thought support of these countries is very questionable , which needs multiple sourcing for such claim.Somajeeste (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a need for greater discussion had in the "Effects of the War" section on the role that the withdrawal of Soviet Union's aid from Somalia had on Siad Barre's governing legitimacy. Beyond the fact that allegiance was transferred to Ethiopia, there is no mention of the fact that the unifying project of Barre's scientific socialism was irreparably damaged by the rescinding of Soviet support -- a move exacerbated by the disaffection within the top échelon of military ranks NickFriedlich (talk) 05:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I protected the article in this ongoing dispute. 76.66.162.171 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and Joserchm are both pretty inept at communicating. What I do know is that 40,000 Somalis killed is an absurdly high number, given this source, for instance. We need some experts here, experts who also know how to edit Wikipedia in a collaborative manner. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reading is obviously not your strong suit. It said up to 40,000 killed, wounded, captured or missing. Joserchm (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some important points that need to be changed or added to the article to balance the current POV:

• Somalia lost half of its Air-Force, but so did Ethiopia (24 out of an estimated 34/40 Aircraft), the casualty figures between the two aren't significantly different. Somalia also quickly replenished its Air Force with the acquisition of 30 Shenyang J-6s from China and Hawker Hunters from Britain.
• Somalia lost one-third of its initial invasion force, but here again the figures between the two countries are not drastically different to single out Somalia in the lede. More importantly the Somali Armed Forces doubled in manpower during and after the war. The Ethiopian army also lost some of its most important divisions during the start of the invasion and Mengistu had to create an entire new militia as a result, which is why beyond a massive air-lift of arms, a significant force of Cuban and South Yemeni soldiers were also attached.
• More emphasis needs to be put on the fact that Somalia lost as a result of a direct Soviet military intervention. The counter-operation was led by a Soviet general and Soviet officers. This was nothing like Angola.
• The last of the regular units of the Somali Armed Forces did not withdraw from the Ogaden until 1981, which was a prerequisite of the US before it would supply the Somali Armed Forces.
• The anger against Siad Barre was not as a result of the invasion of Ethiopia, but against his domestic repression. The Somali rebellions were led by some of the most accomplished officers of the war, who were completely in sync with the wider Somali national conscience to free the Ogaden. The lede now creates the impression that these movements were started as a result of the invasion and not human-rights violations, which is a disservice in my opinion.
• There is no mention of Somalia in the aftermath bankrolling, training and providing passports to
  EPLF
  that fought in the Ethiopian civil war, and who both lived in Mogadishu. Somali support of these movements directly led to the collapse of the Ethiopian Empire, while Mengistu's support of anti-Siad Barre movements contributed to the collapse of his government.
• The lede should clarify that the Soviet Union did not switch sides until Somalia expelled 3,000 Soviet personnel from the country. The vague 'disapproved' lacks context, and ignores that the Soviet Union continued to supply the Somali Armed Forces as it advanced across Ethiopia, while also supplying the latter.
• There should be more info on the role of the US, China, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Romania, Israel and other countries during the war.

I'm compiling my sources for the above content, and will in the coming weeks create a more neutral-POV that takes into consideration the negative effects on both sides, be it material, manpower, political, or economic. --GoldenDragonHorn (talk) 15:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I dont see a POV in the article, Regarding your points:

a) Somalia lost half of its Air-Force- This is half true because Somalia indeed lost all its fighter aircraft, see the number of Mig-17 and Mig -21 lost according to Tereke and other Soviet sources.
b) Somalia lost one-third of its initial invasion force - Could be since some sources consider Somalian losses as high as 20,000 killed.
c) More emphasis needs to be put on the fact that Somalia lost as a result of a direct Soviet military intervention - Half true it was Soviet planing and Cuban direct intervention, the introduction of Cuban T-62 tanks and the use of artillery helped Ethiopia and allies defeat Somalis forces since early 1978.
Regarding the last two points, agree with you the fact that Somalia expelled 3,000 Soviet personel as the main reason for the Soviet support on Ethiopia, regarding the role of other Cold War actors, I only saw Egyptian support on Somalia, so I added that last week.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The opening of the article states, "Somalia's invasion of the region, precursor to the wider war, met with the Soviet Union's disapproval, leading the superpower to end its support of Somalia and support Ethiopia instead." According to Gebru Tareke's (2000, 654-6) article, "The Ethiopia-Somalia War of 1977 Revisited," cited in the sources, the Soviets continued to support both sides in the war, until Somalia's leadership expelled 1800 Soviet advisors. It was only then that massive Soviet aid, Soviet advisors, and Cuban troops decisively shifted the tide of the war. The sentence quoted above implies that the Soviets were bothered about violating another country's sovereign territory. But they weren't if it benefited their cause. Had Somalia won a decisive victory and emerged as the dominant power in the Horn, the Soviets would gladly have continued their support. At the same time, they would have continued to support the Marxist Derg regime in whatever rump territory of Ethiopia it continued to rule. 2603:6000:AB0B:3400:2164:4BF9:395C:759D (talk) 20:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]