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Merge from "Survival Town" Atom Test
The article
- Support merge. We could tag it as {{R with possibilities}}, perhaps, just in case the filming of these historic sequences has been sufficiently documented in talk) 01:07, 4 January 2012 (UTC)]
- Support - Why was it a separate article in the first place?Petebutt (talk) 07:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Its creator, talk) 23:59, 25 January 2012 (UTC)]
- I don't think there's anything worth merging. As you say, the "Survival Town" film isn't notable, and if we're only using it to supplement this article, Operation Cue is a more useful and comprehensive reference. I'm going to be bold and just redirect it. DoctorKubla (talk) 14:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Apples
The Article currently says
- Apple-1 ... Area 4 ... 14 kilotons ... Failed
- Apple-2 ... Area 1 ... 29 kilotons ... Rerun of Apple-1
This needs further explanation: What exactly is meant by "Failed"? Is the stated 14kt a projected estimate which didn't materialize? Or did it "fizzle" compared to the full 29kt of No2? And what exactly is meant by "Rerun"? I mean if Apple-2 was the one with the "Survival Town" experiment on Area 1, I bet they didn't move the whole town there from Area 4, or did they? --BjKa (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, the current article says:
- Apple-1 ... Area 4 ... 14 kT, expected 40 kT ... Primary failed
- Apple-2 ... Area 1 ... 29 kT ... (doesn't mention Apple-1)
- Yes, It could be expanded a bit. Both shots were in the original planning, as far as I can tell. Apple-1 had a minor weapons-effect component; the major effort was designed to be with Apple-2. Apple-1 was a fizzle; the secondary didn't add anything to the explosion, which was expected to run to 40 kt. It might be that Apple-2 was intended from the beginning to be another test of the same bomb; it was modified a bit after Apple-1, and scored below 40 kt but apparently high enough to please the testers. They were both separately built up (for CD preparedness studies) from the outset around two areas on a north-south axis, separated by about 4 miles. SkoreKeep (talk) 15:35, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
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SkoreKeep (talk) 02:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
The concrete "rambler house" etc. Wall density "100lb/ft^3", & "6 inch" thick
United States. Congress. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (1967). Hearings and reports on atomic energy, Volume 20 Hearings and Reports on Atomic Energy, United States. Congress. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy. Compiled by Melvin Price, Publisher U.S. G.P.O., 1957, Original from University of Chicago, Digitized Dec 16, 2010.
Pages 438, 757 skyshine. pg776
Video on wikimedia commons
Video for some of these tests was recently released by Livermore and is now on Wikimedia Commons. Here's one camera angle from angles for Teapot/Tesla (several angles are available).198.58.162.200 (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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Evaluation of the article.
Overall, this article is severely lacking in information. The chart is poorly generated and too large to be convenient in research. The strength of the article is that it provides a decent overview of the number of tests. It can be improved by adding additional information about individual tests. There are several books about nuclear tests and the Federal Civil Defense Administration did publish booklets to explain the tests. The addition of more contextual information and a wider variety of tests would help understand Operation Teapot. This article is not well-developed and is very incomplete. The chart alone lists 14 tests but only 4 receive some type of information. Jamespgj (talk) 16:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC)