Talk:Passage Meditation
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External links to videos
I see that User:DuncanCraig1949 YESTERDAY added an external link to a short video recording (based at YouTube) of Easwaran, the author of the Passage Meditation book covered in this page. The external link was removed as "spam" by User:Carl.bunderson. It seems to me that linking to a book-relevant video by the author of the book could improve the page and be informative, helping readers to enhance their understand the book and its author. And according to
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- See how to perform a certain procedure. In short, the removal of the youtube link by Carl.bunderson was correct. Johnuniq (talk) 05:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)]
- Johnuniq appears to have partly concurred but partly missed the point. An external link to a video that provides page-relevant additional information is neither forming a directory nor is it turning Wikipedia into an instruction manual (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)]
- Johnuniq appears to have partly concurred but partly missed the point. An external link to a video that provides page-relevant additional information is neither forming a directory nor is it turning Wikipedia into an instruction manual (
- I PROPOSE THIS NEW LINK to replace the deleted one - hopefully this makes clear why this video link is relevant to the Article. I don't myself see this video as providing guidance or instruction: rather, it is the author of this book giving a further explanation of the purpose of (passage) meditation. The title of the link (in blue) are the first words spoken on the video, and introduce the subject.
- Easwaran on video: What you do through the practice of meditation is train your attention
- I hope you feel this link is now in the spirit of wikipedia and a useful addition to an encylopedic knowledge of the subject. Alternatively, if you think it would be more appropriate, I could add the link inside the article itself, for example where it says:
- According to Easwaran, the practice of meditating on a specific passage of text (Easwaran suggests the Prayer of Saint Francis or Psalm 23 as examples[3]) has the effect of eventually transforming "character, conduct, and consciousness."
- I could replace this with:
- According to Easwaran, the practice of meditating on a specific passage of text (Easwaran suggests the Prayer of Saint Francis or Psalm 23 as examples[3]) trains the attention and has the effect of eventually transforming "character, conduct, and consciousness."
- DuncanCraig1949 (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- I PROPOSE THIS NEW LINK to replace the deleted one - hopefully this makes clear why this video link is relevant to the Article. I don't myself see this video as providing guidance or instruction: rather, it is the author of this book giving a further explanation of the purpose of (passage) meditation. The title of the link (in blue) are the first words spoken on the video, and introduce the subject.
I had removed the link because of this line from
WP:EL: "Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections". I presume that youtube links do not meet EL criteria until proven otherwise. But if there is consensus on this page to include the link, I would be fine with that. And Duncan, if you do include the link in the article itself, it should be as a reference, and not as a naked link. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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- The link fails WP:EL because this article is about a book, and the video does not mention that book. The talk in the video is probably similar to some of the content of the book (and the two are by the same author), but that is not a reason to link to the video. The article is somewhat ambiguous in that most of its attention is devoted to describing a meditation technique apparently based on the book. However, the video does not even mention "passage meditation". There are hundreds of available websites and videos with opinions on meditation, and there appears no encyclopedic reason to link to this particular video. The Eknath Easwaran article links to easwaran.org and it's up to that website to provide a list of videos. Johnuniq (talk) 10:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)]