Talk:Pater Patriae

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Should we add something about how Peter the Great of Russia had himself declared Pater Patriae?

As I stated in my last revision, I think finding more information, from real sources, would help this article more than a reference to Peter the Great.

I think William the Silent should be called Father of the Fatherland and not of the nation because he was the initiator of the rebellion and the leader. I am a Dutchman and can say, that in my land we always call our Pater Patriae the "father of the fatherland" "Stichter des vaderlands" in dutch which means something like "founding father of the fatherland", but most certainly not "father of the nation" because nation is an uncommon word in simple dutch and not used for the Netherlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.58.115 (talk) 17:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No mention anywhere on the internet of

This article is, well, umm, terrible. I'm going to revamp it. Red4tribe (talk) 23:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Father of the Nation? I'm not so sure. What does everyone else think? -Phil5329 (talk) 14:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the Roman emperor Julian, his coin issued in 361 says FL CL IVLIANVS P P AVG. "P P" is the abbreviation of Pater Patriae.