Talk:Quinn the Eskimo (Mighty Quinn)

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Isn't there a reggae version of this song? If so, who recorded it and when? --steph, 7/9/07 10:41 CDT

a band called Hopeton Lewis & the Gaylettes did indeed do a reggae version. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Russell includes it on his live album: http://www.amazon.com/Leon-Live-Russell/dp/B000002U5F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.66.37.15 (talk) 07:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC) --- why no link to lyrics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.103.224.91 (talk) 14:57, August 29, 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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There was apparently confusion over the title. I was told by someone who worked at Dylan's UK publisher at the time (Feldman I think) that they didn't actually know the correct title when it was needed for the Manfred Mann single release, and assumed it was 'Mighty Quinn'. According to my source Dylan was not pleased as he wanted the song called 'Quinn the Eskimo'. Does anyone have verification of this? Delverie (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect the royalties took some of the sting out of the displeasure. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]


The main text refers to a "link below" to Phish's version. However, there is no link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.20.68.40 (talk) 20:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another reference

In episode 11 of Sealab 2021 In The Closet, the character Captain Murphy refers to Dr Quinn as The Mighty Quinn. --smadge1 (talk) 03:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edited --smadge1 (talk) 03:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pagename

I moved this article from

Mighty Quinn (song), because the song is most known under the name Mighty Quinn. In 1985, Bob released a version of the song. Maybe he released the song under the title Quinn the Eskimo, but I don't know on person which call it for "Quinn the Eskimo". Manfred and his band became a hit with it, and it was called Mighty Quinn! Bad News Live 1982-87 (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply
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The paragraph "Variations in title of song" was plain wrong. The main title used by Dylan is "The Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)". I have added references. The Manfred Mann version was the first released version, (and easily the best known) - "Mighty Quinn (song)" or even "Mighty Quinn" would be appropriate as title (E-Kartoffel (talk) 08:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Since somebody un-moved the Jan 2010 move back to this title, with an editorial note saying Quinn the Eskimo was Dylan's original title (as Bad New Live admits above). So right now the bolded first reference is different than the article title. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quinn the Eskimo (Mighty Quinn) → Mighty Quinn – "Mighty Quinn" is the original title of the first officially released version of the song. It is still, in 2011, the best known version of the song. Additionally the song has been released by many other artists with the title varied as "The Mighty Quinn" and sometimes with the subtitle "Quinn the Eskimo". The 1967 recording by Dylan is a demo, not meant for official release, which it wasn't at the time E-Kartoffel (talk) 12:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Actually, the reason Manfred Mann recorded the song is because the UK publishers, B Feldman & Sons Ltd, circulated demos of about 8 "basement" songs to potential artists who might wish to record Dylan songs. Manfred Mann was one of those artists, Jonathan King was another who recorded "Million Dollar Bash." There were other artists, but have slipped my mind (This would be in the article if I could find a source to quote, but its all pre-WWW). It is a moot point whether the original Dylan recording was intended for release and not a substantive argument for keeping or changing the name of the article. What would be a substantive argument if proof could be found what Dylan intended the song to be called. On balance I think it should have title the author intended - it may be acceptable for Manfred Mann to rename somebody else's song, but not for WP editors. I make this comment in the full knowledge that I don't know what Dylan originally intended the song to be called. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose disambiguation; this is clearly the primary topic for "The Mighty Quinn" or "Mighty Quinn". Powers T 13:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You should kill this move request and start a new one, if you want to go to
Mighty Quinn (song) ... renaming/moving articles is one of the more tedious procedures in wikipedia. Since you started this request and it has drawn little direct debate, you can just do it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Er, what? Powers T 15:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, to be clear, I support the current proposal. That's not clear from how I worded my !vote above. Powers T 15:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not "you" as in Powers, but "you" as in E-Kartoffel, who started this request. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have moved the page to "Mighty Quinn (song)", it is the title released by Manfred Mann in 1968 on the Fontana single (US title "The Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)"). There are a number of additional covers in 1968, with name variations noted above. It is possible that Bob Dylan's original title is "Quinn the Eskimo" (see his official site) though, but he deliberately gave the song away to do cover versions in 1968.(E-Kartoffel (talk) 18:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Er, I meant you should start a new move request, not make the move outright (not that I really care, frankly; since these articles all auto-route to each other, nobody gets lost and it's all (IMHO) a distinction without a difference). - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the Bob Dylan site quite clearly says, Quinn The Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn). See Bob Dylan and as you have stated above (something I did not know before and accept as true, this is the title used for the US release for Manfred Mann which makes your move totally incomprehensible. As I said above its not for WP editors to rename!!! Do you want to ask for the revert or shall I? BTW For the records songs are NOT "given away" as you state above, but are "plugged" for others to record - the songwriter retains his songwriting royalties. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:34, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move - The title should be the title Dylan gave to it, i.e., Quinn the Eskimo (Mighty Quinn). And the move should not have occurred based on the limited discussion that had taken place at the time and the short time period that had elapsed since the discussion started and evolved. Rlendog (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
((the move: sorry I misunderstood the "just do it" message above, I'm not a native speaker)) The song was never released as main title "Quinn the Eskimo" (as far as I know). In 1968, 69 it was released as main title "Mighty Quinn" or "The Mighty Quinn" by several different artists. In 1970 a live version was released by Dylan as "The Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)." There seems to have been an agreement that Dylan does not record an own studio version. in 1967 he recorded the song to present it to do cover versions, a demo, that is what mean with "give away." I have experienced that at wikipedia, the songs are generally listed by first official release, by "original performer", not by songwriter. Is it different here, only because Bob Dylan is just so well known? To almost every song in pop music pre- or demo-recordings exist. You'd have to change the whole concept of listing songs at wikipedia consequently. That is why I chose the original Manfred Mann title (Fontana, UK) as article title. The title that Dylan currently happens to use on his website is "Quinn the Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)" but in 1970 he released a live recording as "The Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)" so what is the correct title?(E-Kartoffel (talk) 23:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]
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Flip Side

The mysterious flip side "By Request: Edwin Garvey" is worth a separate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4904:DFFB:65D2:FEA3:395:C9E3 (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]


In Pop Culture- Suggest for Inclusion the GI Joe Marvel Comic Book Character

Kwinn the Eskimo (a hyper foreignized take on the Dylan name) appears in a number of issues of the Marvel GI Joe Comics in the 80's as a "mighty, but essentially noble" mercenary. http://gijoe.wikia.com/wiki/Kwinn_%28RAH%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.111.122 (talk) 03:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Folk rock pop rock

This song was written by Bob Dylan, so this song feels like folk rock. And this song contains Pop rock sound like tommy james and the shondells, the monkees. So i added genre "folk rock, pop rock." LSM1204 (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter why you think it "feels like". Find a reliable source. Sundayclose (talk) 03:31, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If I was King of Wikipedia, I'd kill the "genre" setting from all song infoboxes - the amount of pointless edit wars that go on over what sub-categories to include is mind-boggling. It happens in virtually every song article that I follow. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:34, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing sentence

This sentence is very hard to understand, at least for a layman, and could use revision. I don't feel qualified to do so. My notes on the problems with this are in brackets.

"The single edit [what does this mean? A single record that featured an edited version of the song? Or one edit on some version? ] omitted the prog middle part [what is "the prog middle part"] (previously released as a standalone instrumental under the title "As Above So Below" on 1975's Nightingales & Bombers) [what was released as a standalone instrumental? The single edited version or "the prog middle part"?] and included a few new guitar solos. [this sentence might benefit from breaking it into several, in addition to being clearer with the language]. Afterwards [or better: "Since then"], the song has appeared on numerous live recordings, the middle part often including long solos and/or snippets of other songs. "As Above So Below" has been replaced with "Oh Well" [not sure what that means. Replaced by whom? Universally? By an individual band doing a cover?] and in recent years, the band often quoted "Smoke on the Water" as well before returning to the main hook." [what does "returning to the main hook" mean?] DrDef (talk) 15:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC) DrDef[reply]

Those are all common terms used in music. I've added a couple links so you can click them. --Meve Stills (talk) 04:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good solution for those of us not fluent. Thanks. -- DrDef (talk) 20:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)DrDef[reply]
Ouch, well it's not nice to read that my sentence is unreadable. In my defense, that was one of my first edits long before I had a Wikipedia account. I would expand and clarify all the parts but my fear is that then some wise-ass will simply snip everything out because it's not properly sourced and goes on too long.
The Earth Band version of "Mighty Quinn" had been in the band's repertoire from the beginning (apparently, even Chapter Three played it like that). So what you can hear on "As Above So Below" is just an excerpt of a long live improvisation done in the middle of "Mighty Quinn". The 7" edit of the 1978 live recording from WATCH was released as a single to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the 1968 hit single, and it's severely shortened and has new guitar parts replacing the original jam section. The version from Mann Alive swaps out the "As Above So Below" riff improvisation in the middle for one starting with the riff of "Oh Well", which is how the band still did it until recently, adding the "Smoke on the Water" snippet at some point. (E.g. on "Live in Ersingen 2011".) But when I saw them in 2016, it was back to the original "As Above So Below" riff. Jules TH 16 (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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