Talk:Red-eye flight

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Aviation This article has not yet been checked against the criteria for B-class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar and style: not checked Supporting materials: not checked To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: | b1<!--Referencing and citation--> = <yes/no> | b2<!--Coverage and accuracy   --> = <yes/no> | b3<!--Structure               --> = <yes/no> | b4<!--Grammar and style       --> = <yes/no> | b5<!--Supporting materials    --> = <yes/no> assessing the article against each criterion.

I've made several changes to this article but I haven't had the time to cite and sources. This still needs to be done. Also I still think the article is of a very poor quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.218.71.5 (talk) 23:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Earth rotates from West to East, NOT "East to West", as this article claims. The writer must have jet lag or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.85.238.116 (talk) 15:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the title of this article be "red-eye flights" with a hyphen? Ehn 09:20, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I also think it should be singular (red-eye flight) to conform to Wikipedia naming conventions. Any objections? —Caesura^(t) 16:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's done. —Caesura^(t) 10:35, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the first word be capitalized since it's at the beginning of a sentence? —LaotianBoy1991 12/14/05

In a more technical article, a twenty-four hour clock would be more appropriate than here. 68.6.85.167 05:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn’t somebody check a style manual to get a clue about spelling, punctuation, grammar, and syntax?! This page appears to have been built by the proverbial monkeys chained to typewriters! For example, “4:00 AM in the morning.” What is that supposed to mean? Is it possible for there to be a “4 AM in the Evening”? What about a “4 AM in the afternoon”? Why not just write “4 AM” and allow the time to speak for itself?

I did some changes along those lines. Ehn 18:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can't the flight also take off and land during Pacific/Eastern Daylight Time depending on the time of year? Standard time only occurs during the winter, and Daylight Time is during the summer. So when a red eye operates in the summer it would be operating in Eastern/Pacific Daylight time.

"But the term can refer to any overnight flight which travels in the opposite direction of the Earth's rotation, i.e., east to west." Grammar is a bit ambiguous, sentence sounds like it's saying the *flight* goes from east to west, when the "i.e., east to west" is actually referring to the Earth's rotation. Would have worked better as "... which travels from west to east, opposite the Earth's rotation from east to west." I almost went in and changed it before I realized fixing it would involve more of a change than I'm comfortable making to someone else's article. :) Lihan161051 (talk) 00:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a 2005 movie by the same name

Shouldn't the thriller/horror film "Red Eye" be a link from this article?

As a European, I've only ever heard the term "Red-eye" on US TV shows. I've never heard the phrase used by a non-American. For this reason, I think the initial description should highlight this. Instead of saying "A red-eye flight is any flight operated by an airline departing late at night.", it would be more true to say: "Red-eye is an American term for any flight operated by an airline departing late at night."

Keanebill (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Keanebill[reply]

Is there any specific term for late-night flights that lasts more than seven hours? And what about those operating westwards, e.g., leaving Hong Kong at midnight and arriving in London at around 6am? Umofomo (talk) 21:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article states "Most eastward transatlantic crossings from North America to Europe are operated overnight, but are generally not viewed as red-eye flights since they depart early in the evening and last at least seven hours. A full night's rest is theoretically possible as this is close to the seven to nine hours of nightly sleep" - This statement is factually incorrect in two different respects: (1) Flights from Boston to London take roughly 6 hours 15 mins; and (2) American business travelers do in fact refer to overnight flights to Western Europe as red-eyes. Furthermore, a seven hour flight does not afford even close to seven hours of sleep, given the constraints of take-off and landing (no reclining seats, loud announcements, etc.). A full seven hours of sleep would probably require a flight of around eight hours or more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliehill (talk • contribs) 23:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a short flight (for instance between Los Angeles and San Francisco, between Paris and London or between Copenhagen and Stockholm) departing at 11 PM and arriving forty-five minutes later would be considered a red-eye flight, so perhaps the first sentence should be rewritten to include something about landing in the (early) morning. - Tournesol (talk) 12:19, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to be bold cleaning up the intro and removing the 'Other meanings' section for lack of citations and verifiable accuracy. That leaves what amounts to an introductory definition (with a citation, albeit not the strongest in the world) and then some pretty dense and possibly dated examples that, while difficult, are at least encyclopedic in nature. Because a sourced article detailing the history and operations of overnight flights could be notable and verifiable (?) I think the Examples section should stay, but any editors willing to improve on the article should be bold with their changes as well. I think this is a particularly difficult topic for an encyclopedia, but hopefully someone with a stronger aviation reference background can make it into something good.

I also think it's important to remember that Wikipedia Is Not A Dictionary. If this is going to be full article it should be about the flights themselves and not the term. If an Overnight flights article wouldn't be worthy of an entry then Red-eye flight might not be either. At the very least, such an article should be very short. Cf. WP:WINAD. -Thomas Craven (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll wait to hear from other editors as well, but to the WP:WINAD point perhaps the article should be renamed "Overnight flight" with a redirect from red-eye flight and a bold subject heading for each in the introductory sentence? That could help steer the article away from what different editors think a "red-eye flight" means and toward the general concept of overnight flights? -Thomas Craven (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I checked this article because I encountered the term 'redeye flight' more often recently and I wanted to make sure I understood the meaning. In that regard the article 'works for me'. I don't know if the examples really add much to the explanation, but if we are going to list flights categorized by continent (which in itself seems to be problematic when (also) dealing with intercontinental flights), we should not omit the many night flights from North and South America to Europe, which probable constitute the majority of these flights. Niekd (talk) 01:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A problem with this page is Red Eye flight means different things to different people. Reference 1 refers to a flight which results in sleep deprivation. Only speaking English I could not understand 2 and 3 (even with Google translate) and reference 4 is a dead link. In the UK a red eye flight usually refers to a very early morning flight ,^[1] and this link refers to a flight of about 14 hours that will arrive almost the same time as take off the next day. ^[2] CarlM 00:36, 31 Jan 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.53.16 (talk)

This question is from 01:03, 27 December 2022 (UTC)01:03, 27 December 2022 (UTC).

These are not overnight flights. They take seven hours, but lose nineteen hours due to the time difference. That means, overall, they take -12 hours.

Most of these flights depart Tokyo between 7 and 10 pm, arriving at Honolulu between 7 and 10 am. However, if one these flights technically departed Tokyo on November 1st, it would go back in time and arrive on November 1st. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethan369 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious: could someone please reply onto this post and not as a different discussion topic?

Some flights operating west can also be red-eyes. I have three examples:

San Francisco to Hong Kong: Flights typically take off between 11 pm and 1 am, arriving in Hong Kong between 4 and 6 am. These flights, however, are 13 hours, enabling a full night's sleep.

Hong Kong to London: These flights also fit under this category, taking off from Hong Kong between 11 pm and 1 am, take 14 hours, and arrive between 5 and 7 am.

London to San Francisco: These flights take off from London between 11 pm and 1 am, arriving in San Francisco between 4 and 6 am. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethan369 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some flights from New York City to Paris (7 hours of flight time, and 6 hour time difference) leave very early or very late. There are two examples:

Flights leaving New York City around 16:00 to arrive in Paris by 05:00 the next day, and flights leaving New York City around 23:50 to arrive in Paris by 13:00 the next day. Ethan369 (talk) 15:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does this have to do with a change you want to make to this Wikipedia article, or is it just a general question? This talk page is only for issues regarding the article itself; it is not a forum for general reader questions. Go to

WP:REFDESK. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 16:38, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply

]

I have no idea what that topic is supposed to be. Examples maybe? It makes the article difficult to use WoodlWizard77 (talk) 04:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]