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What about involvment in de propaganda for the Kosovo-war? --2A02:8109:9A40:1778:5424:6CFD:94DD:DF87 (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What about it? Carptrash (talk) 19:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Text

Hello,

My name is Vernon and I am a Ruder Finn employee seeking corrections be made to the Ruder Finn Wikipedia page. I am proposing the following additions to be placed at the end of the "History" section:

Dr. Kathy Bloomgarden is the author of Trust: The Secret Weapon of Effective Business Leaders, and holds a B.A. from Brown University and an M.A. and Ph.D. from Columbia University in Political Science.[1] Kathy Bloomgarden also sits on the board of the Foundation for the National Institutes of Health (FNIH), is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Partnership for New York City, the Atlantic Council.[2] She is a regular contributor to Fortune Magazine.[3]

In 2017, Kathy became a PRWeek Hall of Femme Honoree, recognized along with eight other women for their dedication to the industry.[4]

In 2006, David Finn, received the John W. Hill Award for leadership, service and ethical conduct for his work at Ruder Finn.[5] That year, Ruder Finn also won the 2006 Caregiving Freddie Award for its work on the Johnson & Johnson Strength for Caring website.[6]


Appreciate the help and thank you!


Hey Vernon - I've added the parts in question although this is a page about a company and not their leaders. Perhaps it should go in a different section?

I've removed these lines and references from the article as this is not a page about CEO or their accomplishments, but the company itself. 68.42.73.202 (talk) 06:49, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removing text due to invalid references

Hello,

Can you please remove the following sections because their reference links are invalid?

1. In 1998, the firm was caught in a conflict of interest after it was revealed that it represented both the Jewish Agency for Israel and Switzerland government.[9] The Jewish Agency's World Jewish Restitution Organization was pursuing a settlement with the Swiss government over its financial dealings during World War II.[9]

2. In 2012, Ruder Finn accepted a contract worth from the government of Maldives that was condemned by the Commonwealth of Nations for organizing a political coup d'état that led to the fall of the first democratically elected President of the Maldives. Vice-president of Ruder Finn Tchividjian "admitted there were 'diverse points of views' surrounding the circumstances around the change of government"[11] the Commonwealth Ministerial Action Group reiterated its call for early elections to be held in the Maldives.[12]

I would also like to edit the following cites so that they have the valid links 1. The agency has won the PRSA Bronze Anvils, Big Apple Awards, SABREs and PRWeek Awards.[14][7][15][16][8][17] David Finn received a Big Apple Award.[18]

Thank you!


I've gone ahead and made the requested changes. 12:36, 22 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thalnos (talk • contribs)

I noticed that these links had simply redirected at some point so I've gone ahead and restored this content with updated/archived links and some minor tweaks for readability. However, I do think the information regarding the contract with the Maldives government could use some further editing. 68.42.73.202 (talk) 08:21, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Text and changes

Hello,

I would like to suggest additional changes to the text in the History section so that it can be updated with recent information.

1. AFTER "Ruder Finn was established in 1948 in New York by David Finn and Bill Ruder" ADD: "The firm is currently lead by CEO Kathy Bloomgarden, Ph.D., daughter of David Finn."[9]


2. AFTER "In April 2015, the firm paid $30.7 million for a 34,000-square-foot property on East 53rd Street in New York City for the agency’s new corporate headquarters" ADD "In 2016, the firm launched a Storytelling & Media offering with Rachel Spielman as lead. Spielman, former head of Corporate Communications, had tripled the size of the corporate practice over the previous 16 years, and took on a newly created role of EVP, Storytelling & Media. The new position was created to formalize the agency’s expertise in story mining and help bring these stories to life across traditional and new mediums."[10] AND "Ruder Finn also launched a new reputation and risk management practice in 2016, focused on developing Ruder Finn’s leadership across four core business areas: predictive analytics (using data to identify client issues at the earliest possible stage), intelligence (understanding why corporations fail and succeed in crisis situations), preparedness (advising clients on every aspect of risk management and crisis avoidance) and precision response (delivering a global team that can work alongside clients as they manage through emerging or actual high risk/crisis situations). The practice is led out of Hong Kong, the UK and New York.[11]

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vjames425 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Text

Hello,

I am an employee of Ruder Finn. I would like to suggest an edit to the introduction at the top of the page because we would like to add more specific information about the company. It currently states "Ruder Finn is a public relations firm with co-headquarters in the United States and China". Can you please change it to "Ruder Finn is a public relations firm with co-headquarters in the United States and China. It is one of the world’s largest privately-owned communications agencies. Ruder Finn serves over 250 corporations, governments, and nonprofit organizations. The agency has 4 divisions Health & Wellness, Corporate Reputation & Transformation, RFI Studios, and Consumer Connections."[12]

Thank you


The header information is lacking and therefore I will approve some of this language. "Over 250"(what is the exact number?) is not very encyclopedia like. Referencedcharacter (talk) 11:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and removed the text referencing the different divisions since it doesn't appear to be supported by the citation, and instead updated the summary to add the text referencing the different types of clients served by the firm. 68.42.73.202 (talk) 07:05, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections/Clarifications

Hello -- Emily Rossi here on behalf of Ruder Finn. We noticed some of the content on the existing page is inaccurate or incomplete. Due to the conflict of interest, we will not directly edit the article and work through Wikipedians to revise the page. There are a few updates we suggest, here are the first two:

1-The third paragraph in the History section currently reads as follows: "In the 1960s through late 1990s, while representing long-time client Philip Morris (now Altria), Ruder Finn was instrumental in crafting the public relations campaign that disputed the evidence tobacco smoking is hazardous to health."

We suggest adding the following sentence be added to provide a more accurate picture:

"Ruder Finn resigned the account when the surgeon general came out with their warning on cigarettes and has abstained from representing the tobacco industry since due to the scientific evidence that smoking has a dangerous negative effect on human health." [13] [14]

2-In the 4th paragraph of the History section, it currently reads: “In 1997, Ruder Finn ran the Global Climate Coalition, a group of mainly United States businesses opposing action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.” We suggest amending and adding information as Ruder Finn did not run the GCC, a subsidiary company that was later acquired by Ruder Finn provided counsel to the GCC.

Proposed updated language: “In the 1990s, the E. Bruce Harrison Company -- which was acquired by Ruder Finn in 1997 -- represented the Global Climate Coalition, a group of mainly United States businesses opposing action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Ruder Finn has worked with environmental and renewable energy clients including the United Nations Environmental Program, Det Norske Veritas (a Norwegian institute that provides a system to measure greenhouse gas emissions reductions), and the Solena Group (a producer of energy from biomass). [15] [16] [17]

Just want to note that we've followed Wikipedia guidelines as noted here:

WP:SCOIC

Many thanks! Emily

Emilyrossi1 (talk) 16:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Emily, and thank you for your proposed changes and for following Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines. I am afraid I must reject your suggestions. You did not give any
independent sources for supporting the claim that Ruder Finn has since refused to represented the tobacco industry. My Way Forward is offline, so I cannot access the source, but judging from the title it was written by an RF employee. The second article is an interview, and the only person who stated that RF no longer represents tobacco companies is also an RF employee. As for the second change, I don't see any indication that RF immediately stopped representing the Global Climate Coalition as soon as they acquired E. Bruce Harrison. In fact, the source currently cited in the article states "The Global Climate Coalition (GCC), run by Washington P.R. firm Ruder Finn" so the Wikipedia article does not appear to factually inaccurate in this regard. I am not going to add the following sentence about "working" with environmental groups. "Working" is a very vague descriptor. It tries to convince readers that Ruder Finn is committed to environmental protection without giving any specifics. Thus the sentence clearly tries to dilute the implication of the sentence prior to it, so I am not approving it. Best, Altamel (talk) 19:03, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
I think some of the changes Emily proposes make the article more accurate. For example:
"In the 1990s, the E. Bruce Harrison Company -- which was acquired by Ruder Finn in 1997 -- represented the Global Climate Coalition, a group of mainly United States businesses opposing action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."
This is more or less correct and should be added to the article, except I would specify the project starting date as 1989 and the end date as 1996 for E. Bruce Harrison Company. For the record, E. Bruce Harrison recently died earlier this year, and there's several sources supporting this new language. Viriditas (talk) 01:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Extended content

References

  1. ^ http://www.leadersmag.com/issues/2015.4_Oct/NY/LEADERS-Kathy-Bloomgarden-Ruder-Finn.html
  2. ^ http://everything-pr.com/kathy-bloomgarden-ruder-finn/30329/
  3. ^ http://fortune.com/author/kathy-bloomgarden/
  4. ^ http://www.prweek.com/article/1426393/prweek-reveals-2017-hall-femme-honorees
  5. ^ http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/05/business/media/05adco-webdenda.html
  6. ^ http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ruder-finns-interactive-client-johnson--johnson-wins-the-freddie-award-for-caregiving-55889597.html
  7. ^ http://new.prsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2012BronzeAnvilAwardResults.pdf
  8. ^ http://www.prweek.com/article/1264849/multicultural-marketing-campaign-year-2011
  9. ^ http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/business/keeping-it-in-the-family/index.html
  10. ^ http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ruder-finn-announces-newly-created-storytelling-role-and-appointment-of-new-corporate-practice-head-300268571.html
  11. ^ http://www.holmesreport.com/latest/article/charles-lankester-to-head-new-reputation-and-risk-group-at-ruder-finn
  12. ^ http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/business/keeping-it-in-the-family/index.html
  13. ^ The Way Forward: My First Fifty Years at Ruder Finn. New York: Millwood. 1988. p. 78.
  14. ^ "Ethics of Tobacco PR Argued by Holmes, Cohen Ruder & Finn, Inc". Retrieved September 18, 2014.
  15. ^ "Global Climate Coalition".
  16. ^ "E. Bruce Harrison". Source Watch.
  17. ^ "O'Dwyer's Guide to Enviromental PR & Public Affairs" (PDF). Odwyer PR.

Editing Ruder Finn Page

Hello my name is Keri Watkins, and I am the Human Resources Director at Ruder Finn.

I'm aware of an inaccuracy on the Ruder Finn Wikipedia page and based on Wikipedia’s CoI guidelines, would like to make a recommendation on how it could be improved. Section three under the “History” headline references Ruder Finn’s involvement with Philip Morris throughout the 1960s and 1990s, and states that “Ruder Finn was instrumental in crafting the public relations campaign that disputed the evidence tobacco smoking is hazardous to health.[5][6][7][8]” The citation that’s used to support this statement (#6) from “Public Relations Study for Phillip Morris Inc.,” does not underscore this point, but disproves it entirely.

In fact, the “recommendations” that RF outlines beginning on document page 55 and continuing through page 62 state that Philip Morris, Inc. should be actively forthcoming in informing the public on the risks of smoking. This included the recommendation to place warnings on the tobacco packaging.

Some examples are as follows: “R&F believes the tobacco industry must stop its rearguard fight to prevent printing of warnings of health hazards on both cigarette packaging and advertising.” “The industry could announce the adoption of a public information policy, binding on all members of the Tobacco Institute. The policy should explicitly state: All cigarette newspaper and magazine advertising will contain the health warning now printed on cigarette packages; all television advertising would contain some of printed [sic] visual warnings…” and “In the public interest, the industry will leave the evaluation of all medical findings…to responsible medical authorities and organizations,” among others.

As it stands, doesn’t the article presently constitute Undue Weight?

With the clear evidence listed above, I believe that the section should be changed to reflect Ruder Finn’s actual recommendations to Phillip Morris that they explicitly and transparently alert consumers to the health risks of smoking.

Thank you for your consideration and please let me know what you think. Best, Keri Watkins 71.14.177.127 (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Keri, you'll notice that there are in fact four citations for that statement, which is already a very small part of this article. I reject your assertion that this and other citations do not support the preceding claim regarding the firm's former involvement with Phillip Morris, Inc., as well as your assertion of undue weight on this basis. If anything, this article should be rewritten and expanded to contain more information than a timeline of acquisitions and awards requested by Ruder Finn employees. 68.42.73.202 (talk) 06:56, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a few more updates to this page, including cleaning up typographical errors, restoring some content that had been removed due to broken references and importing some from elsewhere on wikipedia, as well as removing some of the more trivial content that was based on snippets of press releases. I think this is an improvement to the readability of the article but it could still stand to be expanded. 68.42.73.202 (talk) 03:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting updates to the History section

To provide Wikipedia readers with more information on Ruder Finn's history, I would like to request the following additions:

After this sentence: "Ruder Finn was established in 1948 in New York by David Finn and Bill Ruder." please consider adding "The agency, originally called Ruder & Finn, was started in the linen closest of The Lombardy hotel on East 56th St in New York City - only steps away from the firm’s original 57th St headquarters.[1]"

After this sentence: "Their first client was Perry Como, and over time they expanded their network to include consumer products companies as well as government agencies." please consider adding "The agency proceeded to jump-start Como’s career, promoting his albums to radio stations and creating clever contests for DJs as a way to get them to play his records. Within a year, Billboard magazine had named Como the country’s most popular recording artist.[2]

Before the sentence: "In the 1960s through late 1990s, while representing long-time client Philip Morris (now Altria), Ruder Finn was instrumental in crafting the public relations campaign that disputed the evidence tobacco smoking is hazardous to health." please consider adding "In 1960, President Kennedy hired Ruder Finn to rally public support for the 1960 nuclear test ban treaty."[3]

Before the sentence: "In 1997, Ruder Finn ran the Global Climate Coalition, a group of mainly United States businesses opposing action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions." please consider adding "In 1985, Ruder Finn assisted in organizing the "Glad Bag-A-Thon," the country's largest clean-up and recycling initiative with Glad Bags and Keep America Beautiful."[4]

At the end of the following sentence: "David Finn received a Big Apple Award." please consider adding "and in 2015, he was honored as a member of PRWeek’s Hall of Fame."[5]

Isabelle at Ruder Finn (talk) 16:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Isabelle at Ruder Finn (talk) 16:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Isabelle at Ruder Finn. Press releases can't be used as sources, and PR Week is behind a paywall; please try to find supporting sources that aren't behind a paywall.
This ""The agency proceeded to jump-start Como’s career, promoting his albums to radio stations and creating clever contests for DJs as a way to get them to play his records. Within a year, Billboard magazine had named Como the country’s most popular recording artist." is a direct lift from the NYT and plagiarism - can't do that. It's also promotional and violates Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The NYT has a lot of great info, so I updated Kathy's CEO appointment and a few other minor details. Oceans87 (talk) 18:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "David Finn: Hall of Fame 2015". prweek.com. PR Week. Retrieved 1 February 2022.
  2. ^ Rifkin, Glenn. "David Finn, Co-Founder of a Public Relations Power, Dies at 100". nytimes.com. New York Times. Retrieved 1 February 2022.
  3. ^ DOBROW, LARRY. "ANALYSIS PROFILE: Finn: for 50 years, raising PR to an art form. PR folk are known for tooting their own horn. But when you count JFK and John D. Rockefeller III among your clients, you probably don’t need to Larry Dobrow sits down with David Finn". prweek.com. PR Week. Retrieved 1 February 2022.
  4. ^ Stam, Aleda. "PR legend David Finn dies at 100". prweek.com. PRWeek. Retrieved 1 February 2022.
  5. ^ Kim, Betsy. "David Finn remembered as PR legend with integrity, indomitable spirit". prweek.com. PRWeek. Retrieved 1 February 2022.

Requesting updates to the History section

Hi, I’m Sarah from Ruder Finn’s Corporate Healthcare practice. I’m aware of WP: COI and thus would like to raise to the community some portions of this article that I think could be improved.

Can you please update the below information in the 2020’s section of the article to include latest acquisitions by Ruder Finn?


In March 2022, Ruder Finn acquired Peppercomm, integrated communications firm.[1] In May 2022, Ruder Finn acquired Comunicad, Hispanic marketing agency.[2] In November 2022, Ruder Finn acquired Touchdown PR, an Austin-based agency specializing in enterprise technology.[3]


References:

1.      "Ruder Finn Acquires Peppercomm". PRovoke Media. April 1, 2022. Retrieved August 17, 2023.

2.      Toussaint, Jensen. (October 17, 2022). "Ruder Finn’s acquisition of Comunicad strengthens Hispanic community driven work". Al Dia. Retrieved August 17, 2023.

3.      "Ruder Finn Acquires Touchdown PR". PRovoke Media. November 7, 2022. Retrieved August 17, 2023. SarahB53 (talk) 18:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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