Talk:SkyScreamer

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An anon IP removed this section without explanation, an edit that was undone by another editor. However, upon reviewing this section and its sources, I have decided to remove it again. The main reason is a lack of

I am just wondering if we can take off all each SkyScreamer info off the infoBox, because it just going to get longer since it is rumor that other parks are getting the ride and there is already a section in the article that mostly gives the same exact info. --Jpp858 (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think at the moment it is fine. Take a look at WindSeeker – it is the same situation there. If more SkyScreamers are announced by Six Flags we can use the {{{small}}} parameter in the infobox to automatically collapse the sections about each park. Themeparkgc  Talk  00:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all! I have looked at this article, and feel it meets all of the C class criteria, so I have promoted it! Mdann52 (talk) 11:14, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it has a reference in the installations section, then I will promote and nominate it to good status. --Starship9000 (talk) 16:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's WAY too soon to even think about this article becoming GA. Let's see about getting it to B-class first. Baby steps ... --McDoobAU93 16:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is baby steps mean? --Starship9000 (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It means you should work on getting the article to B-class first. It is possible to go from C-class to GA, but it might be better to try after B-class first. That will get you a long way towards GA-class. Sure there's no userbox associated with getting something promoted to B-class, but the goal should be making the article better, not populating one's user space. --McDoobAU93 20:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One thing to work on is the writing style. Do you realize that in the Tower section (both subsections thereof) every sentence but one contains the word "features"? (One sentence even had the word twice, but I've helped that one a bit.) LadyofShalott 03:11, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You should not be using Facebook as a reference here - at all, let alone multiple times. LadyofShalott 03:16, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do I nominate it to B-class? Do I add a template or anything or is there anything about nominating it to B-class?--Starship9000 (talk) 14:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't have to be nominated. Once it reaches

this criteria, someone can change it to B-Class.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 15:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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How am I suppose to earn the userbox about it then? --Starship9000 (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no userbox for B-Class.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 16:43, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let me restate my point from earlier ... with all due respect, if you're doing it for a userbox, then you're doing it wrong. You should be doing it because you want to improve the article. Anything that comes from that is merely a bonus. The goal is not some code to put in your user space ... the goal is to create an encyclopedia. --McDoobAU93 16:51, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am doing this to improve the article, not the userbox. --Starship9000 (talk) 21:54, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then please explain your earlier comment of "How am I suppose to earn the userbox about it then?". --McDoobAU93 22:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to promote it to B-class criteria. Any way besides nominating it? --Starship9000 (talk) 21:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can request reassessment at the relevant wikiproject. However, you should address the issues that have been raised on this talkpage first. LadyofShalott 23:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What are the issues on this talkpage of SkyScreamer? --Starship9000 (talk) 23:08, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Try rereading my earlier comments. LadyofShalott 02:08, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, we need to see if we can get it to B-class. Is there anything we should do in the article to nominate it to B-class. --Starship9000 (talk) 14:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Put it in neutral, please. Here is a page that should help you understand what should be there. --McDoobAU93 17:02, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? --Starship9000 (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editors have been posting information to assist you, yet you keep asking about promoting the article, as if you haven't seen their responses. Please calm down, take the time to read what has been presented, then see what you can do to improve the article based on what has been presented. Remember,

there is no deadline, so there is no need to be hasty. --McDoobAU93 18:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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To raise the assessment class of the article, the article needs to be improved. Suggestions of how to improve it have been made. Please follow through on those before asking any more about nominations and assessments. LadyofShalott 21:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should I add something like this:

For the ride at Marineland, see

SkyScreamer (Marineland)

--Starship9000 (talk) 22:02, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is a reasonable question. In my opinion, it could indeed be added, even though there is no such article for the ride (it redirects to Marineland's article). I'd see no harm in it, although the better form would be {{about|tower rides at Six Flags parks|tower ride at Marineland|MarineLand}}. --McDoobAU93 22:27, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will go ahead and add it to the article. --Starship9000 (talk) 22:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

McDoodAU93, I actually went and putted that thing in the article. Any thing else I should do in the article besides that? --Starship9000 (talk) 01:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(sigh) Again, please read through all the comments here and on your talk page where editors have offered assistance.

Take some initiative. --McDoobAU93 01:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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What do I do to nominate it to B-class? That is the question! How do I nominate it to B-class? --Starship9000 (talk) 00:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK I'm curious. Why can you not read through the talk pages, see what other editors are concerned with, and then address those concerns first? Remember,

Your question has been answered, yet you persist in repeating it. What don't you understand about what we have said above? LadyofShalott 03:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I promoted it to B-class for the project's quaility scale. How's that? --Starship9000 (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Starship, you can't promote an article when you are unfamiliar with the criteria. The first step you should take is to find a way to replace any thing you sourced to a photo. For example, "St. Louis and Great Adventure versions feature the company logo of Six Flags above the globe,[26][27] while Discovery Kingdom and Fiesta Texas versions does not" is original research. It's also fairly trivial information. This statement "Texas SkyScreamer will feature a different color scheme than the others with red, white, and blue, to represent the colors of the Flag of Texas" is not in the reference given. I don't know if more leeway is given to articles about rides since there's fewer reliable sources in existence, but a lot of these references are clearly unusable. The only time reference 7 supports everything it is stated to have referenced is when it says the opening of the Texas one will be in the spring of 2013. Ryan Vesey 18:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The rewards and userboxes about the good article nominating such as this one is the Good Article Barnstar and a userbox that looks like this:

This user helped promote SkyScreamer to good article status.

Anything you want me to do to get it to B-CLASS? Like add references? Add images? Anything? I might go work on a roller coaster, bridge, or amusement park article and get that to good status. It can either be Incredible Hulk, Tsing Ma Bridge, 2013 in amusement parks, Central Park Carousel, or Diamond Head Light. Seriously, anything I should do to get B-CLASS--Starship9000 (talk) 21:48, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitrary break

Just to make it blatantly obvious, here are things I have just pulled out from the discussion above (I have also a couple of issues of my own at the end):

1. detailed criteria for B-Class articles can be found here
2. writing style of the article needs to be improved, consider
   requesting for a copy-edit
3. Facebook as a reference should be avoided
4. sources in the article which are just photos should be replaced
5. if a citation is added ensure it covers the information that proceeds it
6. most of the sources are from Six Flags themselves - they should be replaced where they can with more reliable secondary sources like newspaper articles
7. citation needed and unreliable source tags needs to be resolved

If these issues are addressed, the article will be closer to the standard it needs to be in order for a promotion. This does not mean that it will definitely get GA status though! Once you think you have resolved an issue, feel free to reply with the number relating to the point above and other editors involved can verify it. Hope this makes it clear for you. Themeparkgc  Talk  23:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC) Edited: Themeparkgc  Talk  01:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any issues on this page so I think it should be promoted to B-class. First of all, do you add a template to promote the article to B-class or do you change the project's quality. I think it definitely meets the B-class criteria so do I change the quality scale or add a template or something like that? --Starship9000 (talk) 00:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Starship, he just pointed out the issues to you. Ryan Vesey 00:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• What are the issues and how do I even solve these issues? --Starship9000 (talk) 00:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me you read the very thorough post from Themeparkgc that you just responded to. This is what we're on about. People are telling you exactly what's wrong, and then you say "nothing's wrong, let's promote it". You continue to prove that you're not able or willing to read the information that is provided for you at your request. --McDoobAU93 00:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Starship, look at the yellow section above. Themeparkgc  Talk  01:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, instead of trying to explain what needed changing, I started changing it, but first a huge thank-you to Themeparkgc for his comments. I've gone through the existing installations of the rides to remove as many

As to the use of Facebook as a source, I agree it should be as little as possible, and if used at all it should be for non-controversial information. In the case of where SF St. Louis' version was going in the park, I left it there and linked to a response from SF St. Louis' official Facebook account. If someone can find a newspaper article mentioning this, that would be better and this would come out.

I can track down newspaper articles about the SF Over Texas and SF Over Georgia announcements without any trouble, especially for the latter as it's my home park.

--McDoobAU93 03:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should I track the newspaper articles about the SGAdventure announcement? --Starship9000 (talk) 14:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What announcement would that be? There is one here for the announcement of the ride's planned installation and one for its opening. Is there another announcement of which I'm not aware? And why would we add an article about SF Great Adventure planning on hiring seasonal workers? Was it added solely because it had a picture of SkyScreamer in it? I'm curious as to what statement this article was intended to back up. --McDoobAU93 16:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see issues so is it ready for B-class? --Starship9000 (talk) 19:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, addressing concerns relating to

what's up) 19:59, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I agree that all the Facebook pics need to go. I understand why people were using them, as photographic evidence for the design/color of the ride. That said, it becomes

WP:PRIMARY) say it is. I've been having a time finding reliable info on this. --McDoobAU93 20:46, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I agree. The facebook pictures needs to be deleted from Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. If you go find them, I will award you a barnstar. The maintenance tag no longer in the article. --Starship9000 (talk) 00:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Starship, this is your adopter. You were asked not to discuss promotion of articles to new "statuses" during the course of your adoption. Seeing that your first set of answers were inadequate at best, I would strongly suggest that instead of trying to water down Wikipedia to barnstar gaining exercises, you actually read the policies you've been linked to, addressed the numerous problems with this article that have been pointed out to you, and focus on working on your adoption course. You have been talked to by over a dozen seasoned editors so far, so there is no shortage of people to ask if you have questions, but the bottom line is that continually striving to promote articles solely for you to display it as a personal achievement is disruptive and if this behavior doesn't stop, we are likely going to have to look at other options. I'm not trying to be a downer, but we need you to channel your enthusiasm into more productive uses rather than focusing on creating an ego wall on your userpage. So please, why don't you for now focus on adoption rather than this article.

There is absolutely no deadline for this article to be "B-Class" or a "GA", but you are definitely at a crossroads right now. Thank you. --Go Phightins! 01:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I concur; but as a side note, I think you misunderstand, Starship. Images posted to Facebook are generally not licensed and are not on Wikimedia Commons at all. Random people just uploaded these pictures, and it could be their own work or somebody else's. Either way, do not worry about it because the Facebook are not on Wikimedia Commons. Also, there are some Facebook sources still in place and a number of concerns have gone unaddressed.

what's up) 01:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I'm debating removing the entire "Design" section. It's not sourced very well, it doesn't really add that much to the article in its current form and, if removed, I don't think will irreparably harm it. It really is more like

WP:TRIVIA than anything. What do other editors think of that option? --McDoobAU93 01:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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However, I would also be afraid that we'd get editors wanting THEIR park's page highlighted instead, so maybe it is a good idea to just go ahead and include all of them. Opinions? --McDoobAU93 17:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I support only one.

WP:EL says we should minimize the number of external links. I agree with you that it makes sense to only include the first one. Ryan Vesey 17:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I agree. It could be done with a visible note that it's the first installed, and with a commented out editing note that we only need the one link. LadyofShalott 18:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody add SFA's addition to the info-box? --Jpp858 (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem is the template cannot handle more entries. You would need to reach out to the people that manage the template to see if they can work on it to allow more entries beyond 1-9. --McDoobAU93 15:48, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is some inconsistency with the conversion from feet to meter and the other way around. In the History part two towers of 390 ft and 400 ft are both converted to 120 meter, which is of course not right. JulioJo (talk) 11:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]