Talk:Sky One

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 12:37, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I agree, move it! --Crazyseiko (talk) 19:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We should also add

Sky2.--67.70.140.89 (talk) 22:33, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply

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• Note also the discussion at #Sky 1(/2/3) > Sky1(/2/3)? above, with some other data, possibly better data than is cited in this RM. There have already been several moves, some citing RM, perhaps it was listed before as uncontroversial. I wonder is it worth relisting? Andrewa (talk) 08:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Support move. Coreyemotela (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC).[reply]

• Support. There looks to always be a break between "Sky" and "1", usually a space, otherwise a line feed or graphic separation, best represented as a space. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review

. No further edits should be made to this section.

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: keep seperate.

Sky Showcase will be a brand new channel which will showcase programmes from across the full network of Sky channels, apart from Sky News and Sky Sports News. Rillington (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that Sky Living (and formerly LIVING etc) became Sky Witness and that article simply got moved over to

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I'm starting to feel a move to Showcase would be better. Hence I put up a notice so the community can have discussions regarding this. --

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I disagree. Sky Showcase is a brand new channel and is not the replacement channel for Sky One as it will show programming from all of Sky's channels. Sky One's programming is moving to the other new channel

Draft:Sky Max and to Sky Comedy. My view is that there should be separate articles for all three channels. Rillington (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Sky Showcase is a rebrand of Sky One, let's not get caught up in marketing puff. When it launches, this article should be moved over to Sky Showcase. Stifle (talk) 14:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Showcase is a different channel which will be showing different programming. If anything, 'Sky Max' could be seen as more of a rebrand of Sky One, as the general entertainment programming which Sky One is known for will be continuing on that channel -- but even this is a conclusion which we, as Wikipedia editors, should not be drawing for ourselves in the absence of official statements or evidence saying so. (So to that degree I concur with Rillington that there should be separate articles for all three.) Regardless, Showcase is clearly and obviously different, and we need to avoid the kind of silliness that JF81 correctly mentions above, where people have this strange tendency to want to lump together obviously different channels as if they were the same one because historically they've happened to have the same channel number. (Sky Living was female-focused and showed an entirely different mix of programmes to Sky Witness, a crime drama-focused channel which bears no similarity to Living beyond the channel number.)

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There is a strong argument for Sky Living having its own article given that it is a different channel when compared to what Sky Living was. Rillington (talk) 13:30, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have to agree, at the very least on both Sky Showcase and Sky Max wiki entries it should be pointed out that this was part of a re-marketing of Sky TV channels rather than new channels, the content of channels change all the time, Sky Witness (formerly Sky Living) is a good example, it is pure "marketing puff". IrishTV (talk) 13:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

oppose move: Sky One is effectively splitting into Sky Showcase and Sky Max (and to a degree, into the already established Sky Comedy. I think separate articles is the way to go here. c87d98b10 00:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Max will effectively replace Sky Replay, moving programming around a set of channels does not equate to launch new channels. Sky ONE = Sky Showcase, Sky Replay = Sky Max and Sky Comedy remains as Sky Comedy IrishTV (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but that's not my take on it at all. So going to have to agree to disagree on that. c87d98b10 08:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Sky Max is clearly the most direct relation/replacement for Sky One as almost all of the shows from Sky One are moving to that channel. Saying that "Sky ONE = Sky Showcase" just because these two different channels will have used the same channel number is a little like saying that "FOX = Sky Nature". It's obviously not correct.

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• Keep as separate articles - Sky Max is a new channel. Sky Max launched today (1 September 2021), Sky One HD/SD/+1 are still available on satellite but it is showing Sky Showcase HD/SD/+1 but with Sky Max HD/SD/+1 EPG data/listings. (Note: Sky Max +1 did not launch) 78.18.246.214 (talk) 11:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep separate articles: They're all separate channels, none of which are a direct replacement or rename of Sky One. This is Paul (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - keep articles separate: Sky One isn't being rebranded as Max/Showcase, it is being shut down and replaced. As such, the articles shouldn't be merged. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 17:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose and keep the articles separate. Both Sky Showcase and Sky Max are distinct channels and neither could be considered a direct replacement of Sky One. They should all be considered separate channels. Kuchi Kopi (talk) 10:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• agree and keep it to one article Sorry, I thought Sky Replay was being dropped based on the Sky press release, which didn't list Sky Replay as part of their channel line up. Anyway I still believe having viewed Sky Showcase that this article should just be renamed, the reason, the channel is nothing more than a simulcast of the other Sky channels, with little difference to Sky ONE that I can see. It seems to be a very messy marketing piece of work. IrishTV (talk) 11:04, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - maintain separate articles. Sky Showcase airs programmes from multiple Sky channels (not always simulcast) so even in that respect alone, it is clearly not the same channel at all. We really must get over this idea that having used the same channel number at different times in their history makes unrelated channels somehow 'the same channel'.
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  • I know I am on the losing team but... "having used the same channel number at different times in their history makes unrelated channels somehow 'the same channel'" .... not sure this rings through here after all "both" channels are related by ownership (new and old) and both channels used the same set of programming, it would be different if Sky ONE had closed shop and Sky had handed the channel slot to BBC Three! It is purely sky marketing, much like Sky Living etc. IrishTV (talk) 22:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm afraid I disagree, it's not "purely sky marketing", it's a clear and obvious difference. Sky Living is an excellent example - Sky Living was, and always had been, a female-focused channel. Starting as 'UK Living', then becoming just 'Living', then becoming 'Sky Living' when purchased by Sky. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the change of this female-focused channel into one showing non-stop crime drama, called Sky Witness, is "just sky marketing" and that it's really the same channel. But it clearly is not. Different programmes, different audience, different name. It could not be more obviously different. But because they were both on channel 108, people go "same channel!" as if it were a continuous lineage, rather than considering the more rational and obvious conclusion that the owner of the old channel closed it down, and replaced it with something new and different. Same applies here. The majority of Sky One's programming is moving to SKY MAX, not Sky Showcase. Sky Showcase is promoted and advertised as showcasing the content of EIGHT different Sky channels (Sky Max being ONLY one of them), so to say that Showcase is "the same set of programming" as Sky One and therefore the same channel under a different name is clearly and obviously wrong. Some programmes are the same, but most aren't. Clearly different, not "just marketing."
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      • Can't quantify this but in reality the types of "crime dramas" that air on witness do extremely well in the female demographic, from what I have heard. Also I would have to look at the last Living schedule v the current Witness schedule. though you could argue that moving your demographic is simply marketing, rather than a closure of a channel. IrishTV (talk) 12:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes I agree, maintain different articles. Pacificsound (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I know the websites like tvliveforum.com cannot be regarded as a
  Ofcom updates September 2021 licence changes to see what actually happened to the Sky One's licence. Watch that space. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 13:26, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  I forgot to mention that Sky One +1 became Sky Showcase +1 (unlike the main Sky One channel). Meanwhile, the September 2021 edition of Ofcom's "TV broadcast licensing monthly updates" is yet to show us what actually happened to the series of Sky One broadcast licenses. Where should I go to prove "Sky One became blah blah blah..." etc.? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 14:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Now that the smoke has cleared...it's clear that Showcase is just Sky One with the last part of the name painted over with "Showcase". If it would have been discontinued entirely I could see keeping them separate, but to the layman who doesn't care about YouTube channels about network mergers and closing, they just got a different name and maintain the continuity of the 1982 network. Also at this point the Showcase article is a zero-sourced programme list article on par with a fanboy-written article for some ignored Filipino soap repeat network, and does not have the read feel of one of Europe's most watched networks like Sky One does.
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