Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film)

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Post-Credit scene

Because the first film is an exception. Haji kiluu (talk) 16:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FILMPLOT
says that "Mid- and post-credit scenes should generally not be included in the plot summary" - my emphasis on "generally". What reason is there to include it? I have to say that I personally am ambivalent about this, as the point of the scene is to set the tone for another sequel - so an argument could be made for inclusion, even if the sequel is not yet in production.
For example, in The Avengers (2012 film) there is mention of The Other's mid-credit screen, because it foreshadows Thanos' acquisition of the stones - but there's no mention of the Shawarma restaurant scene, because it adds nothing.
Blaze Wolf is clearly against it, and I'm on the fence - can you persuade me? (Or anybody else who may be reading this?) Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chaheel Riens: I don't think it should be included until the 3rd film comes out and shows that scene is relevant to the film. As it stands right now, that scene could simply just be a bit of fan-service and Shadow could have absolutely nothing to do with the 3rd film (I doubt it but it's a possibility) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think the
MOS:FILMPLOT guideline in question should be adjusted. I see no reason why a mid or post-credits scene should use any different rules from any other part of the film; ie, if the scene is important to the plot, then include it in the summary. (Most of them aren't, and can usually be omitted.) Popcornfud (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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I think it is been 1 year since the talk page happens. Maybe the post-credit scene ended up being relevant because Shadow is confirmed for third Sonic movie, just like Tails. https://deadline.com/2023/11/sonic-the-hedgehog-3-first-look-shadow-1235642763/ But we will wait until the talk page is resolved. LancedSoul (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Plot section is for important plot information. You can assert that the mid-credits or post-credits scene is important, but in most cases they are simply not important to the Plot of this film. (It is not helpful to make comparisions to Marvel films because Marvel fans have carved out an exception for themselves. Many Wikipedia guideline have people who think their thing is exceptional and they shouldn't need to follow the guidelines.) It might turn out to be important to the next film, in which case it should get mentioned in the article for the next film, (even then maybe only as a footnote) but not this one. A post credits scene might feature an interesting character cameo, and it could be mentioned elsewhere such as in the Production section but again, not in the Plot section because it simply isn't an important plot point. -- 109.79.75.147 (talk) 13:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP, first comment on content and not contributors (your statement about "Marvel fans have carved out an exception for themselves" is clsoe to being a personal attack), second, I partially agree with you. If that post credits scene turns out to be important to the next film then it can be mentioned here (and if the next film starts off with that post credits scene it could be mentioned in the plot of the next film). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was not a personal attack of any kind, it is a general comment and complaint about the inconsistent application of the rules. When overregulation and selective enforcement happens in governments and bureaucracies it can have very serious consequences. That it happens in this encyclopedia is an unfortunate irritation. (Problems exists at the other end of the scale too, where rules are overzealously enforced.) Popcornfud put it well: I see no reason why a mid or post-credits scene should use any different rules from any other part of the film; ie, if the scene is important to the plot, then include it in the summary. (Most of them aren't, and can usually be omitted.) -- 109.76.192.47 (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add post credits now that we know Shadow will be in Sonic 3

Per WP:FILMPLOT, "The inclusion of mid- and post-credit scenes should be based on the same criteria used to evaluate the relevance of other scenes", and in this case, the teaser for Sonic 3 officially confirms Shadow, so this scene is relevant for setting up the sequel. If a scene is relevant to a film, even by setting up its sequel, why treat it any differently than any other scene in that film just because of its placement?

Popcornfud, I know you reverted my addition of the scene, but last year you made a very good argument for why the scene should be included: I see no reason why a mid or post-credits scene should use any different rules from any other part of the film; ie, if the scene is important to the plot, then include it in the summary. In this case, the scene is important for setting up Sonic 3, and is accurate now that Shadow is officially confirmed to appear there, and I feel like I have to repeat myself so much because this should have been an obviously relevant scene and it's ridiculous how it even is a debate. Unnamed anon (talk) 08:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First, apologies for not leaving an edit summary on the revert. That was a mistake.
I personally don't object to mentioning this in the plot summary, but:
  • it should be concise (your addition was very wordy)
  • it shouldn't mention that it's a post-credits scene (that's an editing detail — plot summary should stick to the plot)
  • the fact that Shadow is in the next movie is not on its own terms proof that it is relevant to the plot of this movie.
If other editors still oppose including it at all then I can go with the consensus. Popcornfud (talk) 12:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Popcornfud:, I have added a concise summary of the post credits scene, using your suggestions. How is this? Unnamed anon (talk) 00:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Popcornfud and Unnamed anon: I have reverted the addition of the post credits scene as all we know so far is that Shadow is in the film. We don't know how big of a role he will play in the role. For all we know he could appear in 1 scene as an easter egg. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 16:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you still think that it's enough to be included then gain consensus first. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 16:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I personally feel that the plot of future films has no bearing at all on whether we mention Shadow in the summary for this film. The next film could be 7 hours long and consist entirely of Shadow for all it matters. Popcornfud (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze Wolf I personally feel that the simple fact that Shadow is in the next film, regardless of his role, is enough of a reason to include the scene. Should I start an rfc? Unnamed anon (talk) 20:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Unnamed anon: Mmmm...I'm not sure if we should go as far as to do an RFC. But creating a section here with 2 options (or more) like Pizzaplayer did above would probably suffice, as well as mentioning (neutrally) that there's a discussion going on here to the relevant Wikiporjects. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 20:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Billing Block

I would like to gain a consensus to add

Colleen O'Shaughnessy originally, was not credited anywhere on the official poster. Loservilleas (talk) 08:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Feel free to add the actors from the poster billing block, but no others. Barry Wom (talk) 11:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title Changes

Whoever keeps changing the movie title to French, please stop and quit reversing the correct edits. Bro0510 (talk) 19:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (soundtrack) into Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film)

Per previous consensus at AfD. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge due to the AfD which I believe was sound as the article has next to no coverage. Strangely, a significant portion of the article is dedicated to songs in the film but not in the soundtrack, which has a cruft tenor to it. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 10:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe we must keep it. If the first movie can have a soundtrack article then I believe the second one must have one too. 2A02:214A:8200:D600:7D0D:2A4E:88D3:BD40 (talk) 08:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. No noteworthy
    reliable sources provided to justify the split from its parent article (the film). czar 22:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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