Talk:Southwest Finland

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This article should be moved to

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 22:39, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Could we move away from the term "Finland Proper"? It is a worthy attempt to translate "Varsinais-Suomi" into English literally. Unfortunately the literal translation doesn't make sense in English. Can't we just stick with "Varsinais-Suomi"? Nobody in their right mind would try to translate into English "Lappeenranta" or "Tampere"... or even "Glasgow", though all have interesting and informative translations. - malcolmrutter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolmrutter (talk • contribs) 12:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article uses an incorrect name of a province. It officially has labeled itself in English as province of Southwest Finland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.178.115 (talk) 22:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth is the Finnish definition of a city? I've lived in Kaarina for almost a decade and there's no way that a native English speaker would ever describe Paimio, Askainen et al. as cities. They are towns and small towns, at that. It's not even as if they have any ecclesiastical claims as the only cathedral I'm aware of in the entire province of Varsinais Suomi is the Tuomio in Turku. Can somebody please explain? Jatrius 17:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any muncipality can decide if they are a city or not. There is no rules or requirements for it anymore. Atleast if Finnish Wikipedia is right.

--82.130.33.175 (talk) 00:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are rules and requirements about the term "kaupunki"/"stad". The municipality has to regard itself as such. :-)

But I would translate the words as town, not city, unless the municipality is a city. The definition of city is of course unclear, but the right to call oneself a "kaupunki", which can be translated as either, doesn't bring any legitimacy for the term city in this context.

--LPfi (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The map and the list of municipalities is badly outdated, ie. Alastaro is now a part of Loimaa, etc. 88.115.205.94 (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Finland Proper" is an unofficial term you run into only on the Internet (mostly because of Wikipedia). The official term (according to The Institute for the Languages of Finland / Kotimaisten Kielten Keskus) is "Varsinais-Suomi" (see: http://www.kotus.fi/index.phtml?s=518 ). Only the Council of Southwest Finland uses "Southwest Finland". Using "Finland Proper" only causes confusion and makes anyone using the Wikipedia for translation assistance wrong. Jouk (talk) 12:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- References to "Finland Proper" being incorrect: Official EU document example, EU Policy Document for "Industry strategy of Varsinais-Suomi 2009", term as used by the Finnish Police, etc... Jouk (talk) 07:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All references mentioned above is in finnish or mention the finnish region names as complement to the geographich description in english. It has no relevance to what name should be used in english. The name in english should be either "Southwest Finland" (Varsinais-Suomi) or "Finland proper" (Egentliga Finland). /

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Esquilo, the above mentioned translations are incorrect. Varsinais-Suomi translates as "Finland-Proper". Southwest Finland would be "Lounais-Suomi". I would like to point out, that the latin name is "Finnia Propria". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.222.14 (talk) 13:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest the article be named back to Finland Proper. It is consistent to translate regional names in Finland, e.g. Savo -> Savonia, Karjala -> Karelia, Pohjanmaa -> Ostrobothia, Lappi -> Lapland. Regional names need not follow the same principles than city names. Also, Southwest Finland cannot be used as a substitute. It refers to the

I also suggest that the name be switched back to Finland Proper. Southwest Finland is misleading and plainly wrong, because it refers to the two provinces of Satakunta AND Finland Proper. It might sound archaic, but is not bad English in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.20.222 (talk) 14:28, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused about the whole name issue here. Why on Earth does

I also think that the name should be changed back to Finland Proper. It describes the region better and almost all otherlanguage articles' names are derivatives of Vaqrsinais-Suomi, so why sholdn't this be also? The name Southwest Finland, in my opinion, is the worst option for naming this article since it is used neither officially or informally. Dankos10 (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This thread is old, but adding this info here in case others are wondering the same thing: https://www.varsinais-suomi.fi/fi/
Varsinais-Suomen liitto, the Regional Council of Southwest Finland, is now officially calling Varsinais-Suomi Southwest Finland in English. It makes sense to me to keep this page updated to the most current usage and also to mention the historical names. Cpastern (talk) 21:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What proportion are native speakers of Swedish? Tony (talk) 09:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]