Talk:St. Johns, Portland, Oregon/Archive 1

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Archive 1

This article was recently redirected from St. Johns to Saint Johns. The way I understand it, local usage has always been St. Johns. Is there any Wikipedia protocol for spelling out the names in article titles? One user has gone through and sorted all the place names in categories to "Saint" vs. "St." [1], which is OK, I guess, but I think the article title should reflect the most common usage. Any thoughts? If the redirect isn't reverted, the intro sentence needs to be changed to match the article title. See also:

02:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hearing no discussion, I moved it back. If you feel I reached this decision in error, please discuss.

Katr67

20:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that what is now the Cathedral Park Neighborhood was part of the incorporated area of the City of St. Johns before Portland annexed it. The Cathedral Park Neighborhood was carved out of the St. Johns neighborhood much later, in the 1970's I believe, during the period that the St. Johns neighborhood was run down and the landfill of the same name was in operation (now part of Smith and Bybee Lake park). As far as sources, I am going by the Sanborn Fire Insurance Map of St. Johns, Oregon, which is available on line through the Multnomah County Library.

Anyhow, that might be a worthwhile addition to the article to explain the common history of the Cathedral Park and St. Johns Neighborhoods by way of the Bridge name.

Or I could do it, but I don't want to step on toes changing the article without advanced discussion.

BTW, I lived at the corner of N. Seneca and N. Trumble for 5 years and patronized Duffy's (now the McM's St. Johns Pub) many years before that.

Dubhloaich 18:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds very interesting. I like those old Sanborn maps. Don't worry about advanced discussion, because as we like to say, you should

Katr67

19:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Since Dubhloaich hasn't made the changes so far and it's been a while, I'm trying to find the relevant maps myself. The neighborhood of St. John's, like the town it once was, encompasses the area now sometimes known as Cathedral Park. I live in Cathedral Park myself, but I also live in St. John's. I was disturbed to read in the article that St. John's ends at the border of Cathedral Park. Um, nope, not if you live here. A lot of maps reflect names given to areas by real estate agents, rather than names actually used locally. I'll see if I can find any maps that show it my way and if so I'll amend the article. Sylvia A (talk) 09:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I have lived in this neighborhood off and on, and now am back up here again. An alternative name for the area is "The peninsula", however that usually refers to the landmass formed by the Willamette and Columbia Rivers. Nevertheless, some businesses here, most notably the Fred Meyer store in St. Johns, use the "Peninsula" moniker.

Another item of interest: The Port of Portland has a large facility and there are industrial parks to the NE of the core of St. Johns which use the term "Rivergate". Some areas of St. Johns propper further designate themselves as "downtown" (the former core of the incorporated area along Lombard Street, especially at the intersection of that street and N Philadelphia), "Pier Park" (centered around Pier Park and on the edge of Rivergate), and "Cathedral Park" (the area around the park of the same name and the St. Johns Bridge). In some way, this is a neighborhood with unofficial subneighborhoods. Cathedral Park is considered here as part of St. Johns, regardless of its official status as a neighborhood.

Regarding its existence as a seperate incorporated city, St. Johns joined the city of Portland around the first consolidation, meaning the union of the cities of Portland, Albina, and East Portland. St. Johns seceded later, but rejoined Portland around 1915. I'll look it all up and post the source here that I saw that in. I have the local history book somewhere around here.

Ajbenj (talk)

I don't think of Forest Park as part of St. Johns even though it is accross the river. --Calan (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The neighborhood is extensively discussed in Jim Goad's The Redneck Manifesto (Touchstone, 1997). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.243.1.164 (talk) 07:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

The Starbucks that was in the Bonham and Currier Building as referenced in the photo caption is gone, so the reference is not up to date. Seltzerfish (talk) 03:04, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this Seltzerfish. I went ahead and removed the outdated part of the caption. In the future, don't hesitate to be bold and make changes like this yourself—just make sure to use a descriptive edit summary so that other editors understand what you're trying to do! – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

"At his first city council meetings, Goodrich stated that councilmen who claimed “the material in the city hall is of poor quality”." This seems to have been an incomplete sentence since its origin in the Halvorsen_brian (talk) updates of October 2012. Seltzerfish (talk) 04:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)