Talk:Straight pool

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Cue sports Top‑importance Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. WikiProject Cue sports to-do list: edit history watch purge Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created: List of wanted articles... American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there) "Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton , the one with no hands] Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai Female pool bios : Jozef Bel Philipoom Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito Organizations: Joss Tour World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool) Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show] And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi , Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999). Meta: OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports , but this is not an OoK page. Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]). Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher Other : Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.). Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections? CopyVio rewrite : Alfredo DeOro ? Delete or defend : Move/Rename (and Redirect): Redirect : Unorphan : Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the WP:NOT#IINFO . Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty! Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEEVENTS Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD. Add: {{ Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example). Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet. Change: Replace: Some day: Seek Featured Topic status. Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well. Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles. See also: Snooker to-do list Note: To watchlist this to-do list, click on "watch" at top right of this table. Watching the page it is transcluded on won't watch the to-do list.

2006 Rule changes at [7], they will be in effect until 2008. 70.111.251.203 03:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And then what? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrote the article, but I don't like the organization (because it sucks). If I haven't changed it (and I'm feeling a bit apathetic about it) and you have a good idea, please feel free. --Fuhghettaboutit 01:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the rules link to the latest version (and changed to WPA to make it less American-centric). -- JakartaDean (talk) 06:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

 – It was just a "420"-style joke.

I've also deleted the reference to the high run of 626, unless someone can find a reliable citation. -- JakartaDean (talk) 06:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That guy was on drugs. 626 is the

True, world-class contenders like Efren Reyes know the difference between straight pool and rotation. But when it comes to ordinary practitioners in Philippine pool parlors, there is some confusion. One plausible sign is the way they call rotation such names like straight ball or straight. 124.106.202.203 (talk) 02:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That may be, but it needs to be

sourced. Especially as it amounts to an accusation of ignorance against an entire nation/ethnicity, one known world-wide for pool playing. Forgive me if I remain skeptical. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply

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"...also called 14.1 continuous or simply 14.1..." Those "also called" names for the game should be spelled out, as "fourteen point one" or "fourteen dot one" or whatever the game is called. I just came to this page after seeing the intense Twilight Zone episode "A Game of Pool" to learn what it's called (can't remember what the Jonathan Winters character called it) and how it's played. Face it, Wikipedia is for making newcomers into armchair experts. I don't want to call it the wrong thing and get laughed at.  :-) CousinJohn (talk) 03:48, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Please. I'll follow this page to get the piece of info I haven't been able to find anywhere else on the web. This is silly. I Googled 14.1 and found dozens of sites ... caroms and balkline associations and tournaments in the US, Germany and France ... but nowhere does anyone bother to write out 14.1. 166.70.9.100 (talk) 21:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We could add a pronunciation note (by the way, the game is always said as "...point..." never dot, when said aloud), but the listing should remain 14.1 and 14.1 continuous as its always referred to. For example, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Pool and Billiards (entry at page for 101 for "14.1 Continuous, 14.1 Continuous Pocket Billiards" and at page 232 for "Straight Pool"). Or just see this search versus this search.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:31, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I'm looking. This is difficult to source. There is this where Byrne writes it out because he's using is as if someone is speaking, but it's just an example of correct usage; what we actually need is a source saying something direct, closer to "it is pronounced..." but I don't know whether we are ever going to find that.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of any official web pages to back this up, but often when I mention I prefer to play straight pool, people automatically think I mean 8 ball. Usually these are people who ONLY know of 8 ball and 9 ball played on a table.2600:1700:9430:8600:C007:3AA2:5993:4366 (talk) 04:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 13:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can take a look at this article later today! — GhostRiver 13:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox and lede

• The game is popular in the United States This is inconsistent with the body of the article, which speaks to the decline in popularity in the US
  • Yeah, I have changed slightly. It's worth noting that straight pool is played worldwide, but like snooker being a UK game, straight pool is predominantly US based. It has recently been surpassed by nine-ball as the defacto game. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

History

• Good

Gameplay

• The following sentence is lifted directly from the source and needs to be reworded accordingly: On the break, either a ball must be pocketed in a designated pocket, or the cue ball and at least two additional balls must touch a rail. The failure to accomplish either of these conditions results in a foul. Fouling on the initial break incurs a penalty loss of two points.
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• The first sentence of the third paragraph should be moved to the end of the second paragraph, as then everything about fouls is in one para and the next is only about racks
  • Moved Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• allowing a shot on the next ball and allowing the run to continue. repetition of "allowing"
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What happens when (1) the cue ball remains within the rack after 14 balls have been pocketed? (2) When only the 15th ball remains - but it remains within the rack - yet the cue ball is outside the rack? (3) when both the cue ball and the 15th ball remain within the rack after 14 balls were pocketed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.244.33.98 (talk) 22:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Highest runs

• Bruney scored the first three points before Mosconi ran the next 200 points but continued for over two hours to 526 before missing a fine cut shot. Confusing/awkward phrasing
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "Monterey, California. It was the result" → "Monterey, California, as the result"
  • I've reworded slightly Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Last sentence has some awkward phrasing; currently it reads as if the setting up of break shots and the unreleased video, which I believe are to be seen as two separate critiques, are really one larger criticism. It could also serve to add a clarification before these specific criticisms to say that Schmidt's record is controversial.
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tournaments and governance

• The aspect of straight pool being "dead" should be expanded upon; "many" factors are suggested and then only two are listed
  • Reworded. There are other reasons, but I haven't found many sources talking about them. There's no world straight pool championship anymore, but it is played at the US Open, and the European Pool championship. However, it used to be the main tournament when people played pool. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Popular culture

• Cracked.com is not considered a reliable source; I'm sure plenty exists about straight pool and hustling
  • I have a couple book sources that I'll check out when I get home on this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added a cite. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• The Twilight Zone episode "A Game of Pool" is mentioned in the "see also" section but not mentioned here
  • I've added to the prose. I can't say I know much about the Twilight Zone though. Amazing we have two separate articles on this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

• A work or publisher is needed in [2]
• Reference [5] is incomplete and leads to a broken link
• [8] needs a work or publisher
• I believe "straight Pool" → "Straight Pool" in [20]
  • All done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

• All images are relevant and properly licensed
• As far as caption:
  • Per
    MOS:CAPTION
    , the Keogh photo cap should end in a period
  • Switch the sentences in the second photo caption
    • Both done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• No stability concerns in the revision history
• Earwig score is generally good except for one sentence noted above.

Putting on hold for now. Feel free to ping me if there are any questions. — GhostRiver 19:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have now covered the lot GhostRiver Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good now, happy to pass! — GhostRiver 21:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]