Talk:Suicide bag

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B-class review

B
  1. The article is
    reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited. Any format of inline citation is acceptable: the use of <ref> tags and citation templates such as {{cite web
    }} is optional.

    2. Looks like most statements have already survived challenge. checkY
  2. The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. It contains a large proportion of the material necessary for an
    A-Class article
    , although some sections may need expansion, and some less important topics may be missing.

    3. Could use some information on prognosis if interrupted, More statistcs would be nice, but not essential, otherwise looks fairly complete.
  3. The article has a defined structure. Content should be organized into groups of related material, including a lead section and all the sections that can reasonably be included in an article of its kind.

    4. Looks OK to me, so rating as OK unless someone has better ideas. Order can be changed easily if there is good reason.checkY
  4. The article is reasonably well-written. The prose contains no major grammatical errors and flows sensibly, but it does not need to be "brilliant". The Manual of Style does not need to be followed rigorously.

    5. Looks good to me. checkY
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    6. The one illustration is to the point and of adequate quality. No copyright issues. checkY
  6. The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way. It is written with as broad an audience in mind as possible. Although Wikipedia is more than just a general encyclopedia, the article should not assume unnecessary technical background and technical terms should be explained or avoided where possible.
    Looks fine to me. checkY

I only see the lack of a prognosis after interruption as needed for B-class. Other opinions welcome. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:20, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure exactly where to put this edit - so will put it here.
The mention of Argon as an inert gas usable with a suicide bag is incorrect and misunderstands how a suicide bag works. Argon will not work.
The references available here and in the peaceful pill handbook (re inert gas/suicide bag) and in the literature are all for Helium and nitrogen for completed suicides. These gases are less dense than air.
For the inert gas/suicide bag, it is necessary that the inert gas be lighter (less dense) than air, so that it fills the bag from the closed top down to the (slightly) open neck of the bag, and as it is continually piped in, it continues to exclude any air or (even denser) CO2 by pushing it down and out of the open neck of the bag.
This keeps any room air out of the bag, and also forces any CO2 out of the bag also as the inert gas flows.
This works with less dense(than air) Helium and Nitrogen - but does not work with Argon.
Argon is heavier /denser than air. It will fall directly out the (slightly) open neck of the bag rather than rising to be trapped by the closed end of the bag. It will therefore not fill the bag from the top and then push out air / CO2. As the Argon spills out the bag opening, room air will rise into the bag in its place and and will be trapped by the closed end of the bag. A pocket of air will thus be continually formed/drawn into the bag as the heavier argon spills out the bottom. This will not result in fatal suffocation.
There is two references only that I can find of the attempted use of Argon and a suicide bag - first one non fatal though it was left for an undetermined time but long enough for condensation to form on the bag, so much longer than one quick breath + 10-15 minutes as for Helium or nitrogen.
The second one also non fatal - presumed "insufficient gas duration" ...
(1) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352260222_Suicide_Attempt_by_Inhalation_of_Argon_Gas
(2) Tincu, R.C.; Cobilinschi, C.; Tomescu, D.; Ghiorghiu, Z.; Macovei, R.A. (2016). Suicide attempt after argon gas inhalation – Case report. Toxicology Letters, 258(), S109–. doi:10.1016/j.toxlet.2016.06.1454
It is well known that even a slight amount of an air "leak" is all that is required to defeat the purpose of the inert gas / suicide bag - as is seen when facemasks were tried instead of a bag. Non airtight fitting face masks have been used ( and failed ) to try to achieve the same objective. A 15 gauge needle sized gap is enough to frustrate their intended use.
How the single reference of a suicide bag with (very) heavy/denser than air - propane/butane might work is different since this is not an inert gas but is toxic in itself ( similar to Carbon monoxide) and does not require the complete exclusion of oxygen to cause injury. Riomhaire1 (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Navigation popup, inappropriate content

When scrolling over a hyperlink to this page, the navigation popup that appears contains the following:

"A suicide bag, also known as an exit bag or hood, is part of a euthanasia device consisting of a large plastic bag with a drawcord used to commit suicide through inert gas asphyxiation. My mom used it to end her life. I saw her dead, lifeless, inaimate [sic] rotting corpse. I touched it. It was cold and lifeless"

The popup ends there, but the passage contains the information about the mother is highly inappropriate and I don't see where it's even pulled from, nowhere on the page is that information. Fathercthulu (talk) 21:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's pulled from an earlier, reverted, revision of the article containing a vandalism edit. I wish there was a documented way of purging these tooltips. I'll try purging the page cache for this page to see if that helps. — The Anome (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Update: purging the page (by using the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag?action=purge) successfully purged the tooltip popup as well as the page cache. — The Anome (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I had looked through as much as I could and didn't see a way to directly edit it, hopefully you have more luck than I did. Fathercthulu (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've also revision-deleted the offending edits, since they are both grossly offensive and irrelevant to the article and thus qualify for immediate revision deletion. I've also revdel'd another offensive edit by the same IP in another article, and blocked that IP for a month. — The Anome (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Assisted Suicide

I would like to know why this page is even on Wikipedia. This walks you through how to kill yourself with Helium and the materials necessary, even with a diagram of the suicide bag. People who are suicidal look up methods and this is what comes up. We are wanting to help people find ways to kill themselves?? I am ashamed to live in this country and have this be allowed. My sister died this week from finding this on the internet and bought herself plenty of helium, tubing and a plastic bag. She knew this plan would guarantee death, when most other methods have first attempts that aren't successful or people regret it in the first few seconds of attempting. I demand this page be taken down. Shame on people who put this page together. I hope you realize you just helped kill my 22 year old sister along with many others. 2601:281:300:170:6828:2348:477C:13FF (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 2601:281... I'm very sorry for your loss. While anyone may nominate this article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, it might be better to raise the issue at a venue like the Village pump. While I don't think the editor community will opt to delete articles on suicide methods, ultimately policy and practices are a result of the consensus of the community, and there may be some action that could be taken. For instance, I don't think we usually include a link to mental health resources in articles like this one, but I imagine that at least some editors would support it. gobonobo + c 19:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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