Talk:The 20/20 Experience

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Should it be included in the article that:

The album cover art AND title are a straight copy of the Saga band's album of the same name?

It can't be a coincidence, but I have yet to find any info regarding the reason why JT chose to use the same album art and title for his album... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.253.250.210 (talk) 00:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

LP release in Germany

In Germany the LP will also be avaiable on the the 15. (http://www.weltbild.de/3/17856409-1/musik/the-20-20-experience-vinyl.html). — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingSiriUS (talk • contribs) 07:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Could someone please add R&B and Pop to the genres please? Listing the entire album as just "Neo soul" seems a little narrow.

Especially since all of the individual songs on the album that have their own Wiki pages are listed as either R&B or Pop.27.252.136.190 (talk) 07:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Generalizing is the point. It's the album, not the song(s), which have their own sources cited, right? And only three songs have articles.
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Many sources call the album neo soul, which is a combination soul and contemporary R&B, with elements of jazz, funk and hip hop to pop, fusion and African music. Which is exactly what the album is.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 07:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If the album is to be generalized, then changing the genres to R&B, Pop and Rock from "neo-soul" gives the more accurate description, since "neo-soul" is not a generalized music style the way Pop and R&B are and these are all genres broad enough to encompass this album. Additionally, the very beginning of the Neo-Soul article in Wikipedia gives the reference to person who coined the term "Neo-soul" as a way to market a certain group of artists during a certain time period. Kingofpositivity (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's the etymological root of most
talk) 22:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Attention should be given to the fact that just as many critics refer to the album as R&B and Pop such as Metacritic, which is listed in the article giving the album its normalized rating [1], AllMusic, [2], and The Independent, [3]. The reviews that mention neo-soul such as the Spin Review, or the Pitchfork review do not conclusively name this album neo-soul, they state that the influences are there and they make comparisons to other classic soul and neo-soul artists such as D'Angelo and Quincy Jones. However it would be ill-advised to ignore the fact that the reviewers understand and compliment the Pop aesthetic, and the Pop references found in the album. Kingofpositivity (talk) 21:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It would be ill-advised to ignore the fact that
talk) 22:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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If the album is to be defined as Neo-Soul then, what gives it that exclusivity if other artists such as
Garifuna people, but what stops a critic from saying it's pop, or neo-soul, then having Wikipedia and the people who read reviews accept it as such? Would that not be taking away the cultural context? Would that not be debasing the originality of the said style? Would that not give way to confusion to a person who knows nothing about the music? Where is the line drawn? I'm saying, where's the consistency? Why not describe the music in a holistic sense and not just based on what a couple people, no matter how credible, might assume it to be? The reviewer Steven Hyden ([4]), described "Mirrors" as "Zepplinesque", does that make it a rock song, because he said so? In Pitchfork, the writer described "Don't Hold the Wall" as having "Bhaṅgṛā rhythms", [4] does that put the song in that genre? I'm not following this logic. Speaking to the claim that Pop and R&B describing the root of most popular music, The 20/20 Experience can be Neo-Soul to some people, but it can't be denied that it is also Pop, since it's on the pop charts, and the argument of whether it is pop or not is moot because of it's popularity and extent of exposure, and it is R&B, because it's presence on the R&B charts, which just as easily gives way to how the album is marketed also, the way the Neo-Soul style was when it first emerged. Yes, Pop, Rock and R&B is the etymological root of most popular music, but that does not stop writers of album articles on Wikipedia from using them to describe the popular music they are describing. If that mattered, then those aforementioned genres should never be used to describe the music on an album released under the scope of popular music if the aim is to describe it so perfectly and narrow-mindedly. Kingofpositivity (talk) 23:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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The genre of this album should be tagged as R&B and Pop. Labeling it 'neo-soul' is inaccurate, ridiculous and frankly erroneous. - The Real One Returns (talk) 05:14, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Duly noted.
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References

  1. ^ http://www.metacritic.com/music/the-2020-experience/justin-timberlake. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  2. ^ http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-20-20-experience-mw0002491699. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  3. ^ http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/album-review-justin-timberlake-the-2020-experience-rca-8535184.html. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  4. ^ http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17736-justin-timberlake-the-2020-experience/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

Blurred Lines

There is an IBT bit that claims that Timberlake wanted to record

WP:RS has been [debated] (it is website, not a newspaper as such - though that doesn't necessarily mean anything) - and this particular cite is suspiciously poorly written, unsourced, about how Justin Timberlake wishes he was Robin Thicke, and this particular quote is a tag-on at the end. It is not corroborated anywhere by any RS I could find. Especially since it has to do with actual living people, it just doesn't meet standards for inclusion in a WP article. EBY (talk) 05:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks for removing it. Yeah, the article cited is basically, excuse my language, full of shit in almost everything they said. — Status (talk · contribs) 06:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Pusher Love Girl" a single

According to this article by Billboard, "Pusher Love Girl" was released as a single. For some strange reason, it doesn't list "Tunnel Vision" as a single release. Possibly an intentional omission as it didn't chart on the Hot 100 or a genuine error. Et3rnal 17:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I think that there might be plans to be released, but obviously we don't have a radio date or a digital download link... I guess it was scrapped. "Tunnel Vision" is definitely a single lol :). — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Guess it's best to leave it as it is currently, until/if a digital or radio release can be found. Maybe Billboard are just confused. Et3rnal 18:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SOS

I just found out a Sound on Sound article about these two albums was released, but online it requires a subscription to read the entire article. There seems to be lots of in-depth info that can be use here, and if anyone can read the article, please put the info here and cite the following article:

Thank you. 和DITOREtails 03:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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