Talk:The Magician (tarot card)
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On 11 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to The Magician (tarot card). The result of the discussion was moved to "tarot" ( 'small t' ). |
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See also the central Talk page for all the Major Arcana at Talk:Major_Arcana. This can be the discussion nexus for overall occult Trump description and analysis. Thanks for all your fine work!-- self-ref (nagasiva yronwode) (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Naming Conventions
Anyone have a problem with this being moved to
Sounds good to me. --Spikey 02:25, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Titles are generally disambiguated by what they are, so I would prefer The Magician (Tarot card) (I think Tarot is always capitalized). There are other exceptions, for various reasons, so it isn't vital, but The Magician is not a Tarot, it is a Tarot card. Tuf-Kat
- According to Wikipedia:Disambiguation,
- The word or phrase in parentheses should be one of two things: a generic noun describing what the specific title is an instance of (for example, Mercury (element), Seal (mammal)); or the subject or context to which the term applies (for example, Union (set theory), Inflation (economics)).
- So it can be either. I think I agree in this case, though. --Spikey 02:50, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- According to Wikipedia:Disambiguation,
I agreed. :) UtherSRG 03:17, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I found articles in both
I removed the "Examples" section since it was entirely
Unverifiable and unbalanced content
The article is just personal opinions from an occult enthusiast about the nature and meaning of a particular tarot card. No peer reviewed books or journal articles are cited. No references or footnotes are given. When a new statement is added, the source needs to be
The card in question has a history of over 500 years in European card games in which it is used as trump card (see
- That sounds good. How would you like to add a section on the Magician in card games. It would balance the divining use of Tarot (which is what many Tarot users associate it with).Julia Rossi 12:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
other names and roles
We might also add that the card is more commonly known as the Pagat - at least for card games - where it often has an important role as the lowest trump. There tend to be special bonuses for winning the last trick with this card and posessing it in your trick pile makes a big difference in the popular French game where, along with the Fool/Excuse and the Mond, it is is known as a 'bout'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philebus (talk • contribs) 12:08, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
Simplify
In the interests of wikifying this and making it more accessible, I'm having a go at simplifying such stuff as: "the will in the liberation of its union with that which is above" and "in the fixation thereof" to make it more like communication in the year 2007. Hope that's okay.Julia Rossi 12:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Article templates
I felt I had to introduce article templates here, as not only has this article failed to improve in regard to content, it has actually gotten much worse. The sources are not reliable and verifiable by WP standards, and the article is becoming more and more loaded with trivial cruft. Most of it is original research synthesized from non-academic, unreliable sources.— ★Parsa (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Table inscriptions
Nobody ever mentions the three carvings on the front edge of the Magician's table: Water, Fire, Air (the last, depicted as an inverted bird in flight, very similar to that on the Ace of Cups). Certainly, this article doesn't even attempt to explain these correlations, even though these depictions are quite clear in the very picture used in in the article's lede.
These are the three Kabalisic elements (in this system, Earth and Spirit were not considered elements).
I think this also supports the notion of the bird (or dove) on the Ace of Cups as the element of Air, rather than that of divine spirit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.217.118 (talk) 19:41, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on
Donald Szcublewski
I know that we can travel anywhere or you will make fun of me 72.241.6.250 (talk) 23:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)