Talk:The Second Nun's Tale

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Heres my three articles Lewis, Katherine J. “The American Historical Review.” The American Historical Review, vol. 113, no. 1, 2008, pp. 241–242. www.jstor.org/stable/40007423. Leapley, Nicole M. “Church History.” Church History, vol. 78, no. 4, 2009, pp. 890–892. www.jstor.org/stable/20618805. Bartlett, Robert. “Rewriting Saints' Lives: The Case of Gerald of Wales.” Speculum, vol. 58, no. 3, 1983, pp. 598–613. www.jstor.org/stable/2848961. HyyyTyyy (talk) 00:04, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think overall, we need to definitely fix that plot. I think we could make it sound more scholarly and also make it more helpful to someone you will use this page in the future. i think we also ned to add something else besides a plot based section. Maybe an analysis of the tale? I think we should take into account the fact that her body is an integral part of the story. Her virtue, her faith, how they tried to violate her body but that didn't stop her? Everything relates back to her body. Something about that would be a good to use in this. HyyyTyyy (talk) 00:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added a new section dedicated to Cecilia's Body but I'm probably going to change the title because it seems too bland. I haven't finished it just yet as i want to go into further detail than just summarizing the plot again like i did. Feel free too add more details to it if you have anything i might not. HyyyTyyy (talk) 00:30, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These are my articles: Hampton, Cathy. “Unpicking Female Exemplarity; Or, the Usefulness of Body Stories: Reassessing Female Communal Identity in Two Early Modern French Texts.” The Modern Language Review, vol. 102, no. 2, Apr. 2007, pp. 381-396. http://www.jstor.org/stable/20467284 Morgan, Susan. “Body Symbolism in the Book of Margery Kempe.” New Blackfriars, vol. 76, no. 897, October 1995, pp. 426-440. http://www.jstor.org/stable/43249779 Robertson, Elizabeth. “Apprehending the Divine and Choosing To Believe:: Voluntarist Free Will in Chaucer's Second Nun's Tale.” The Chaucer Review, vol. 46, No. 1-2, 2011, pp. 111-130. http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/chaucerrev.46.1_2.0111 Krimashah (talk) 02:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The plot summary needs major edits and improvements. It brushes over the plot really quickly, and is missing some major details. I agree that there needs to be an analysis section that addresses how her body serves as a symbol for her steadfast faith, and belief in god. Despite the emotional and physical trauma she goes through, she never gives in to her oppressor, Almachius. We should also address how her chastitiy was also symbolic of her unwavering faith, and depite the fact that she was forced into a marriage, and punished for her chastity, she still managed to keep it intact. Krimashah (talk) 03:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added some details to the new section, "Cecilia's Body." I mainly stated how her body is representative of her unwavering faith, and I also included some details, from one of my articles, about how the female body was viewed to be full of sin, and that by Cecilia maintianing her chastity, she was able to keep the sin away from her body. Krimashah (talk) 04:46, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I completely erased the plot. I thought it needed to be morphed into something more scholarly yet be said in lament terms that anybody could read and understand what was happing. I also changed the title of "Cecilia's Body". I wanted to make it more detailed so that the rest of our article would have something solid to build upon. I need some help with it so please feel free to tweak it if you feel the need. Something I need help with is how to correctly cite in the page. Any help is welcome!! HyyyTyyy (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article is shaping up, and that we're on the right track with the article. I think we should add some background and related information as well as going more in depth with the plot as it's pretty short and doesn't cover the ending of the tale; it could be longer to help add to outside readers understand what's going on. This background information could include themes and motifs, interpretation, characters, structure of the tale, etc That way we'll end up with a more well rounded and more contributive article overall. In Addition to this we could also work on the transitions in the article so they feel look choppy, especially in the introduction. ShameCon (talk) 18:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added the Character and Order sections as well as adding a bit to the introduction, i'll add more to the character section and Introduction later, as well as other additional sections. ShameCon (talk)

I added to the plot summary, where Ty left off, and summarized to the end of the story. Feel free to make any changes that you deem are necessary. Krimashah (talk) 20:35, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I also made some edits to the plot summary in the beginning, made by Ty. I added some extra information, and a few quotes directly taken from the text. Krimashah (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding a section for the Prologue and the Invocation to Mary, I'll also add a synopsis section too. ShameCon (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the Corones Two section, which I'll add the source from https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/456645.pdf ShameCon (talk) 23:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added a little background to "Corones Two" section as a little background but also to go back to our plot. Thank you for fixing that. It came out more directive and critical than the previous. I'm now going through my sources and going to incorporate them in because the page still only has one cited source right now. If we all three do that, this page will end up being written very strong. HyyyTyyy (talk) 01:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I created a new section called "Importance of Bodily Sensation on Divine Comprehension." This section will talk about how the characters' senses allowed them to gain a deeper understanding of the divine world around them. This is important to note because the author contradicts reasoning, and relies on sensory and instinctual feelings to direct his characters' actions. I used the source, "Apprehending the Divine and Choosing To Believe:: Voluntarist Free Will in Chaucer's Second Nun's Tale" to support this section. Krimashah (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I also added more to "Saint Cecilia's Body Analyzed" some details that relate to how she was able to maintain such control over her body. I used the source, "Body Symbolism in the Book of Margery Kempe" to support my reasoning. Krimashah (talk) 02:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I added to "Saint Cecilia's Body Analyzed" section, and this time I talked about the importance of maintianign chastity, and how it can empower women. I used the source, "Unpicking Female Exemplarity; Or, the Usefulness of Body Stories: Reassessing Female Communal Identity in Two Early Modern French Texts." Krimashah (talk) 03:29, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added quotes throughout the plot summary and the section on Cecilia's body. Not only is this necessary to incorporate the primary source into the page, I thought it would help a reader to have actual evidence to build off of rather than only a summary. Quotes make the summary stronger as it is now supported through direct evidence from the title. I also added a citation to the section about the importance of senses, primarily touch. I found a source reenforcing the ideals Krima was entailing so I decided to build on that. HyyyTyyy (talk) 03:44, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added another citation. This time in the "Saint Cecilia's Body Analyzed" section in regards to the relationship between women and their church. I found a source that talks about how women can be an integral part of the religious system and how they are sometimes the focal point of an entire religion. For example, Catholicism and Mary. HyyyTyyy (talk) 04:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added a citation and created a new paragraph in Cecilia's Body. I found an amazing source which talked about how the should without the body and vice versa is nothing. I used that to prove how Cecilia's soul controlled her body and not the other way around. Her faith mixed in with her herculean soul contributed to her becoming a martyr and saint. HyyyTyyy (talk) 04:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]