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Please join RfC at Gisele Bündchen Talk

You are invited to join the discussion at [1]. Could you please give your opinion on whether or not Bündchen's television interview about Brady's concussion in 2016 should be added to the article's Personal life section? Thank you. The Kingfisher (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Career Overview Update on TD:Int Ratio

The end of the career overview section fails to mention the 14:1 TD:Int ratio Brady set in the 2017 regular season, a league record. 73.68.52.107 (talk) 01:21, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Only NFL quarterbacks to hold multiple super bowl wins and MVP awards

Tom Brady's profile states that he and Joe Montana are the only NFL quarterbacks in history to hold multiple super bowl wins and MVP awards. Not true -- because Eli Manning has two super bowl wins and two super bowl MVP awards. The change should be made Rob Winters (talk) 11:17, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Where does the article state this? It states that he and Montana are the only quarterbacks with multiple
Super Bowl MVP awards, which is true. Lizard (talk
) 15:10, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Drew Henson

This article says Brady started every game in 1998 and 1999 at Michigan. Drew Henson's Wikipedia page says he "platooned" as starting QB with Brady during those two years. One of these claims must be false. 99.192.82.168 (talk) 20:53, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

I believe the Henson one needs fixing. This article from 2000 states that Henson is looking to make his first career start. Also this, "Even though Brady played well as a junior, Carr made him share the position with Henson in his senior year. Brady played the first quarter, Henson the second, and then Carr decided who would start the third. Brady proved the rotation ridiculous. Shortly after the midpoint of the season, Carr decided that Brady should be taking all the snaps." WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 21:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017

TOM BRADY IS A Eduardovazquez (talk) 18:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Nothing given. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2017

Increase deflategate info BengalsMaster (talk) 21:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Lizard (talk) 21:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

TB's ancestry

Footnote 15 has mother's family from Prussia, though article shows Poland. Most of what was Prussia is now Poland, so it's debatable, but seems more accurate to show Prussia in article, as it matches evidence. Cheers... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermosa19 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

BLP notice in "Overview" section

"This section about a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful."

Any of you guys able to get this removed or address whatever problem lies within? I am not able to edit this article just yet (rookie). Personally, I don't know of any more citations that could be added to make this section sufficiently sourced, but that is just me. --DD2009 (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a much higher standard for citations than, say, your average high school research report. In an article of a living person, every statement that is not "common knowledge" should be followed by a reference. Lizard (talk) 00:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Lizard. Would you happen to know which statements in this section are not common knowledge? I could try to find some references to back those facts up, if indeed they are facts. --DD2009 (talk) 13:48, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
That's also assuming that the Overview subsection is still allowed to be in this article. You think it enhances the "Professional career" section or detracts from it? --DD2009 (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'd say the section is appropriate, although at the moment it just serves as a beefed up version of the lead.
When in doubt, nothing is common knowledge. But records and extraordinary claims especially need citations. Specifically,
  • "has enjoyed a distinguished and decorated career..." is loaded language that needs a citation.
  • "the Patriots were upset by the New York Giants in spectacular fashion..." ditto.
  • "led a memorable fourth quarter comeback..." ditto.
  • "Brady missed the first four games of the 2016 season due to a suspension resulting from the Deflategate controversy..." is contentious and needs a citation to avoid potential for libel (yes, even though it's already cited elsewhere).
  • "earning his fifth Super Bowl win and fourth Super Bowl MVP title in epic fashion, coming back from a 25-point deficit against the Atlanta Falcons midway through the third quarter to win in overtime, by far the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history." Loaded language and an extraordinary claim of a record.
  • The entire third paragraph needs a citation for each sentence. Same with the fourth paragraph.
Ideally, every sentence should be cited, but these are the most crucial. A good reference point for citations is "Featured" and "Good" articles; see Otto Graham, Jim Thorpe, Peyton Manning. Lizard (talk) 15:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! As soon as I am able to contribute to this article, I'll see how I can help. --DD2009 (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Just informing you that I am now eligible to edit S-P articles, such as this one. I am gradually adding references (they should be legitimate, but if not, I will address) to this section. I am also editing the structure of this paragraph a little bit and will be removing some adjectives, if that's okay. It will take some time; it's a work in progress. --DD2009 (talk) 14:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
And I'll be very careful to consider your advice. I'll go down the list step-by-step. --DD2009 (talk) 14:45, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Making major edits to "Overview" section

Hello, all: As you can see, the Overview section looks just a little different today from yesterday. I'm not exactly done rearranging it and adding more references (or better references, if need be), but I've done my best so far to add more quantifiable sources. Feel free to help me add or edit as you wish. Hopefully we can get this article back to GA status. --DD2009 (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

NOTE--I didn't request for the BLP template to be removed. I'll leave it to you experts (Bill Belichick!) to determine if this section is sufficiently sourced or not. I didn't want to preempt the admins by deleting this template myself and then have it reappear the next day. --DD2009 (talk) 20:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
It's been removed. Thanks, WikiOriginal-9! --DD2009 (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

What's next?

So we've ostensibly gotten over that Overview hump. Any other major edits needed at this time? Fill us in right here. --DD2009 (talk) 05:09, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

There are other unsourced parts of the article. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 05:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay. Which ones in particular are of concern? Maybe I could help? --DD2009 (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Any statements that appear to be unsourced. There are many throughout the article in the college and professional sections. For example, the entire "2014 season" section only has one source. Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Just
be bold and do what you feel should be done. But as a rule of thumb, every sentence in an article about a living subject should be sourced. Lizard (talk
) 19:41, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2018

When it is stated that "many analysts and sportswriters consider Brady to be among the greatest quarterbacks of all time." I suggest proceeding the sentence with " It can be argued that Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time, as statistics show. He is also the only quarterback to receive the passing title at the age of 40, with 4,577 passing yards, eclipsing any other quarterback in the 2017-2018 regular season." [1] This sentence would be a logical addition, as it is widely agreed upon within the sports world. It is also something that absolutely needs to be stated. Caluc03 (talk) 15:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 22:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "NFL". NFL.com.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2018

Change "His career postseason record is 25-9" to "His career postseason record is 26-9" in the introduction following the recent win over the Tennessee Titans on 1-13-18. Samling~enwiki (talk) 07:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Done. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 07:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Tom Brady is Ethnically German Not Polish

The ancestry links are incorrect. Tom Brady states that he's German. He is not Polish. His mother is part Prussian which after WW1 and WW2 was partially incorporated into an altered Poland and the remaining ethnic German Prussians expelled in a massive exodus. So this is major error of ethnicity. Brady states his German heritage in this clip. And refers to himself as being a German.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_XhtlfH2dw

(+) Either way, his German descent should be added. ethnic Prussians are not classified on Wikipedia as Poles but as Germans and better yet as Prussians or Prussian-Germans. Bismarck the founder of the German state in 1871 was himself Prussian. But they are a distinctive group themselves from say Bavarians or Pomeranians, even. Etc. This is not controversial.

ThatHistoryGuy (talk) 00:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)Thathistoryguy 02/01/18

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2018: MVP

Under "career highlights and awards", can the "NFL Most Valuable Player" have an "(MVP)" added after it for easier page searches of MVP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorSwadder (talk • contribs) 00:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. JTP (talk • contribs) 00:40, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

His NFL Records ==> Super Bowl (Career) most passing yards in a single Super Bowl should be adjusted to 505 (SB LII) from 466 (SB LI). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.74.133 (talk) 10:15, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Professional career: Overview section

The Patriots played in twelve AFC Championship Games from 2001 to 2017—including seven in a row from 2011 to 2017—and won eight of them. Brady and Patriots head coach Bill Belichick have combined to form the most successful quarterback-head coach tandem in NFL history, winning more regular season games and postseason games than any other such duo[60] as well as appearing in seven Super Bowls.

the above needs to be researched and confirmed, then corrected. it is not possible to win 8 AFC championship games and appear in only 7 super bowls. The AFC championship game is for the right to appear in the super bowl. Both numbers have to be the same.

--GreenGrapes (talk) 06:43, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I misread the sentence. it actually refers to how many Belichick and Brady appeared together, not how many the Patriots appeared in. sorry.

--GreenGrapes (talk) 09:28, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

hi jaun

Steelers44 (talk) 11:48, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a
reliable source if appropriate. DRAGON BOOSTER ★
13:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Correction: Tom Brady is the second of only two men to win 4 Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw of the Pittsburgh Steelers also managed the feat within the space of 6 years; Super Bowls IX,X, XIII and XIV respectively. 2003:6C:CD04:5B00:E41B:A8:1F89:FD06 (talk) 13:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't see a mistake in the article. He was the third starting QB to win four Super Bowls, after Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana (as mentioned in the article), and the second player to win five after Charles Haley (as mentioned at least twice). If there's a specific correction that needs to be made, please point out the specific part of the article to be corrected as well as the specific language you would like to see included, in the form "change X to Y". ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

(Tom Brady) Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2018

Change: Because of his accomplishments and accolades, many analysts and sportswriters consider Brady to be among the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

To: Because of his accomplishments and accolades, many analysts, sportswriters, former and current players consider Brady to be the greatest quarterbacks of all-time. Majority of them also consider Brady to be the single greatest football player in NFL history. Jumper1221 (talk) 08:25, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?
) 15:15, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

NFL TD passes Tom Brady

Tom Brady has 504 Carrier Touchdown pases and Drew Brees has 501 we should be expecting Tom Brady and Drew Brees to go head to head this season. Above Tom Brady is Peyton Manning with 539 and Brett Farve not very far from Tom Brady with 508. One day I hope Aaron Rodgers will be up with the greats so far he is at 325 at 10th place of all time td passes.

Sources https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/08/saints-drew-brees-500-career-touchdown-passes https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2799205-tom-brady-becomes-3rd-qb-in-nfl-history-to-throw-500-career-td-passes http://www.espn.com/nfl/history/leaders/_/stat/tdpasses Linnjohn (talk) 16:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't understand your request. Please make a specific request in the form "Change X to Y". Also,
Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?
) 17:03, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Source

Source

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/profile Linnjohn (talk) 16:43, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Please make a specific request in the form "Change X to Y". ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Jersey Number

Hello everyone, recently Tom Brady was asked a question regarding the reason he wears number 12. Brady has stated that the number he wanted to wear for the Patriots was number 10, which was his college number at Michigan. However, that number was already taken and the team's equipment manager gave him number 12 in his locker.--BradyGOAT19 (talk) 18:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2018

"He advocates drinking half one's body weight in ounces of water daily." is an ambiguous statement, without specifying the unit of body weight measurement. Looking at the actual source, it turns out to be pounds. This seems silly - it should just be specified as 1/32 of his body weight 2606:6000:CA82:1900:4C05:F2DD:3258:4ED2 (talk) 18:58, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Nobody said his assertion was accurate, they took an exerpt from his book. Trillfendi (talk) 19:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Deflategate in header

I was told it was through "Consensus" that the stuff about deflategate is in the header. I think its ridiculously stupid because no other article includes suspensions. I was told it was incorrect for Ben Rothlesburger's article so lets just not have it on this one -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pace2Pace (talk • contribs) 11:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

At the time the discussion took place, we had almost daily edit wars from people trying to add deflategate to the lede. This was a compromise which at least avoided
WP:BLP violations. Maybe enough time has passed to have the discussion again, but I notice we still have people coming in and "spicing up" the comment that is in place. Tarl N. (discuss
) 19:07, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Career Playoff Wins

Tom Brady has more playoff wins than any other player (28), and twice as many as any other quarterback except Joe Montana (16). The source for this is pro-football-reference.com.[1] Can this be added to his page under records? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.107.54.222 (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=career&year_min=1950&year_max=2018&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos%5B%5D=QB&pos%5B%5D=WR&pos%5B%5D=RB&pos%5B%5D=TE&pos%5B%5D=OL&pos%5B%5D=DL&pos%5B%5D=LB&pos%5B%5D=DB&is_starter=E&game_type=P&career_game_num_min=1&career_game_num_max=400&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&c5val=1.0&order_by=pass_td
  • It has to be from a reliable source. Such as an ESPN, CBS Sports, etc. Trillfendi (talk) 01:54, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Brady now has 29 playoff wins, and 16 wins for Joe Montana is correct. Jerry Stockton (talk) 14:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Career Passing Yards Should Specify Season

The introduction says Brady is 1st all time for career passing yards for season and post-season combined but in Career Statistics he only has 70,514 passing yards and Peyton Manning is higher with 71,940 yards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.211.247.174 (talk) 23:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019

Under the main picture of Tom Brady, it states: "No. 12 – Likes to kiss little boys." That's obviously SPAM. Javaauthority (talk) 02:09, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Done – Jerry Stockton (talk) 02:20, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019

Tom Brady owns Chewy.com 12Chewy2019 (talk) 14:56, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk
) 17:57, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019

Update playoff records from — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrostCzar (talk • contribs) 07:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 8 (2001–2007), tied with Jim Kelly

to

  • Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)

(also worth noting, this streak will remain active until he losses home playoff game or retires) FrostCzar (talk) 19:19, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk
) 07:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Reference: https://www.pro-football-reference.com Note: No source is provided in current Wiki publication of co-record with Jim Kelly. Only 6 NFL quarterbacks have won 8 or more home playoffs game in history. Tom Brady (20), Joe Montana (10), Peyton Manning (10), Brett Favre (9), John Elway (9), Jim Kelly (8). pro-football-reference.com confirms this new record to be accurate.

Superbowl appearances

There have been a number of edits changing the number of superbowl appearances by Tom Brady from 8 to 9. Several of us have reverted these edits, because they haven't happened yet, under the policy

WP:CRYSTALBALL. This states "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." In this case, the event is Brady's appearance at the superbowl. I contend that until he actually appears, it's not certain; he could break a leg or catch the measles, be found to have PEDs in his blood or say something offensive and be banned, any number of issues might take place which would preclude his attendance. At this point, he has an invite but has not yet appeared. Discussion? Tarl N. (discuss
) 00:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Or he could have his wrists sawed off. 🙄 When has Tom Brady had an injury in the past 11 years? Let alone not made it to a game (besides Deflategate but we’re passed that). Especially the biggest game of his career. The Super Bowl is notable enough to be placed for appearance. What you’re doing is
WP:FRINGE. Trillfendi (talk
) 02:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Two weeks from now, it will belong. Right now, saying he has made 9 appearances is incorrect. Tarl N. (discuss) 02:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Reliable sources beg to differ. Trillfendi (talk) 06:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
There is a reliable source which says Brady has already made nine appearances in superbowls? Damn, I missed one. Tarl N. (discuss) 06:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
People get mad around here when I call dumbess dumb, but this stoic devotion to the lack of logic is just that. No one said he already (defying all laws of special relativity) made an appearance, the common sense is that the Super Bowl is important enough that it is preliminary to say this is his 9th Super Bowl appearance as was the consensus in sports medi barely an hour after the game ended. Oh but you know, his Brazilian supermodel wife could leave him and he could jump off the Brooklyn Bridge.... Trillfendi (talk) 08:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

The standard is notable and almost certain to take place. The Super Bowl is as notable as it gets and almost certain to take place and Tom Brady showing up for the game is also almost certain. It would have to be something extremely unlikely to happen to prevent him from playing. Aoa8212 (talk) 02:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

There are a cascade of uncertainties in place. The superbowl is pretty likely, it would take an unusual event to cancel it - like the government being shut down and someone in Washington finding security to be a problem (a completely improbable cascade). But any given player making an appearance has a larger degree of uncertainty - Brady's teammate Bruschi woke up one morning with a stroke. It happens. It happens enough that I'd contend it doesn't meet the "almost certain" constraint. Tarl N. (discuss) 02:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

It's somewhat funny that you mention Tedy Bruschi because Bruschi himself never missed a Super Bowl appearance (he played in 5 for the Patriots between 1997 and 2008, winning 3). He also hardly missed any games after the stroke, in fact he was named the comeback player of the year the same year that he had the stroke (2005). I'd say it's almost certain that Brady doesn't have a stroke or anything else that would take him out of the game. It theoretically could happen, but it's almost certain not to happen. Aoa8212 (talk) 02:40, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree, it's almost certain . . . meaning it's not certain . . . Jerry Stockton (talk) 03:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Almost certain is the criteria that's supposed to be used, so... Aoa8212 (talk) 04:54, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Well it's almost certain that Brady will throw a touchdown pass, so why wait, let's just add it now. Jerry Stockton (talk) 05:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should call for an
WP:RFC? (Yes, that is black humor. The RFC would be moot before finishing.) Tarl N. (discuss
) 05:12, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
That's a false equivalency and you know it. This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, but that comment was too disingenuous to let slide. Elijah (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
False equivalency much? Aoa8212 (talk) 18:30, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

The issue comes down to two questions:

  • Does the entry under "Superbowl appearances" indicate the number of appearances he has had, or the number he will have? Remember,
    WP:NOTNEWS
    , so we aren't in the position of needing to have everything instantly updated.
  • What level of almost certain applies? I'm generally a fan of 5-sigma for claiming reasonable certainty. Tom, as a 41-year old, has a 37-year life expectancy. That translates to a 50% chance he'll die in the next 37 years, or an average of 1/1924 chance he'll die in any given 2-week period. At 0.05% chance of dying, that's already broken 5-sigma, without including possibilities of injuries or other issues which might block him. So my view is that his appearance at the superbowl is likely but not almost certain.

Tarl N. (discuss) 20:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2019

Tom Brady has led the Patriots to sixteen (16) division titles.....not fifteen (15) 97.68.149.147 (talk) 03:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

also worth updating in postseason records section — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrostCzar (talk • contribs) 07:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Done – Jerry Stockton (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2019

change number of super bowl appearances from 8 to 9 on the records side bar 108.28.145.228 (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Please form a WP:Consensus first. See the above header "Superbowl appearances". HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2019

Change the main file of Tom Bradys Home image to something more respectful and specific to the sport that he represents. The image provided below provides readers with a better visual aid for the way Tom Brady feels when he is playing football with high stakes at hands. The image below portrays a better visual for who Tom Brady is, and how he is when he is playing the game. The Screenshot below does a much better job representing him and his character.

File:Tom-Brady-Jim-Rogash-GettyImages-494209128-940x545.jpg
Tom Brady New England Patriots #12

G.bisignano32 (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
And I'd disagree on this being a better photo - it's over a decade old (2007), and his face is largely obscured. Tarl N. (discuss) 21:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
It’s also a blatant copyvio, taken from Getty Images.
talk
) 13:04, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Update old ranking from 2015/2016

1. The opening paragraph states that Brady is considered "to be among the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history", based mostly on outdated stories from 2015 and 2016, before the unprecedented string of recent superbowl successes, and the numerous records Brady has added/extended over that time. Furthermore, most of the stories from 2015 and 2016 already ranked Brady in the Number 1 spot, e.g.:

[2], ESPN [3], Bleacher Report

2. Other NFL players are already referred to by Wikipedia as being considered the greatest of all time in their position. For example, the opening paragraph of Jerry Rice's Wikipedia page states that he is "considered the best wide receiver in NFL history"

3. Since those old references from 2015/2016, Brady has won a record sixth superbowl (more than 30 NFL franchises) and there is now universal acceptance of Tom Brady as the greatest QB of all time - including from the NFL, AP, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, NBC, etc.:

[4], NFL [5], NFL [6], NFL [7], NBC [8], AP [9], SI [10], ESPN [11], National Review [12], The Guardian [13], USA Today [14], Sporting News [15], NY Daily News [16], 247Sports [17], CBS NY [18], BET [19], The Herald [20], Cheatsheet [21], The Delite [22], Yardbarker, and many more...

4. The article needs to be updated. The opening paragraph should be updated to: "Due to his numerous accomplishments, records, and accolades, many analysts and sportswriters consider Brady to be the best quarterback in NFL history."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.71.5.235 (talk) 10:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

To the contrary, the sentence should be taken out, or at least greatly modified to remove the “greatest quarterback ever” phrasing, because it’s a characterization that is unofficial, smacks of
talk
) 13:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately this objection is unconvincing: A. If you want to propose to remove the sentence from Tom Brady's page, you'll also need to remove it from the pages of Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, etc. The sources for rankings on those pages are no more "official" than the very Verifiable
WP:VERIFY sources presented here. Otherwise the proposal smacks of inconsistency. B. What do you mean by "Independent Rankings"? Who decides what is considered authoritative or not? You'd be hard-pressed to find more authoritative across-the-board acclimation than the NFL itself and other sources listed above. C. The opening paragraph, as it stands, is out of date, and needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.53.176.253 (talk
) 13:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Without looking at how those articles are written exactly, I'd say anything that reads "he is considered the greatest ___ ever" should be rewritten.
talk
) 15:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2019

please change below:

Postseason (career)

Most games played: 37[407][408]

Most games started: 37[409]

Most games won by a starting quarterback: 27[409]

Most consecutive wins by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)

Most consecutive wins to start a career by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)

Most career home wins by a starting quarterback: 17 (2001–2017)

Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 8 (2001–2007), tied with Jim Kelly

Most touchdown passes: 71[410]

Most passing yards: 10,226[411]

Most passing yards in a single playoff game: 505 (Super Bowl LII)[412]

Most passes completed: 920[413]

Most passes attempted: 1,464[413]

Most passes intercepted: 31[414]

Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 15[409]

Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 13[415]

Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 9[416]

Oldest Quarterback to win an AFC title game: 41 years 5 months 17 days

Most career 300+ passing yard games: 13[413]

Most game-winning drives: 11[96]

Most multi-TD passes: 22[416]

to new updated facts below:

Postseason (career)

Most games played: 40[407][408]

Most games started: 40[409]

Most games won: 30[409]

Most consecutive wins by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)

Most consecutive wins to start a career by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)

Most career home wins by a starting quarterback: 20 (2001–2019)

Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)

Most touchdown passes: 73[410]

Most passing yards: 11,179[411]

Most passing yards in a single playoff game: 505 (Super Bowl LII)[412]

Most passes completed: 1,005[413]

Most passes attempted: 1,589[413]

Most passes intercepted: 34[414]

Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 16[409]

Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 13[415]

Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 9[416]

Oldest Quarterback to win an AFC title game: 41 years 5 months 17 days

Most career 300+ passing yard games: 16[413]

Most game-winning drives: 13[96]

Most multi-TD passes: 23[416]

Submission Note: I am not a wiki guru on how to edit posts or reference the correct new references, but these are all factual errors that should be corrected and properly adjusted by someone. FrostCzar (talk) 23:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Sorry, but we need a source. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Maybe just use the numbers you already have posted from different sections already posted from Wiki Tom Brady or go to pro football reference.com. I am requesting someone correct your incorrect stats. Perhaps the entire category should just be deleted outright until someone can correct the incorrect numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrostCzar (talk • contribs) 02:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

There is a template we use, {{uw-sofixit}}:
New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons you might want to
).
This looks like an excellent opportunity for you to learn more about editing Wikipedia. You've already identified changes you think need to be made, and presumably verified them. That's the hard part. If the changes are in the infobox, and are coming directly from PFR (pro-football-reference.com), no need to cite the changes specifically, the PFR reference is already at the bottom of the infobox. In such a case, just state "updating to current values from PFR" or something like that in the edit summary. If they come from somewhere else, or are outside the infobox, you should cite the specific source you found for the number.
This particular article is one where you can be assured that if you make a mistake, it will be rapidly detected and repaired, there are so many people watching it. I recommend using the "Show preview" button before hitting "publish changes" to make sure you are getting the results you want, to maximize your reputation for professional work. Regrettably, you may see some less than professional comments in response to any mistakes you make, but that's a regrettable aspect of life, not intended by the community.
In general, we recommend people make a single edit, but since you are recommending so many different changes, I'd recommend breaking up your changes into three or four edits, so each edit can be reviewed (and potentially reverted) on its own. That makes less work when you figure out what went wrong and want to fix it. Regards, and good luck! Tarl N. (discuss) 03:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I was pretty sure I had done all of that already as most of the previous sources provided were already up to date. But as requested, here is the obligatory verbatim statment of "updating to current values from PFR", also updating to current records from: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/10/15/16464558/tom-brady-nfl-record-list-most-touchdowns-yards

Also worth noting Brady's 13 GWD is corrected as PFR has not yet updated SB LIII as a GWD and credited Brady for it, however ESPN confirms SB LIII was in fact a GWD as cited here: http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4816828/patriots-tom-brady-keep-rewriting-super-bowl-record-book

In that article ESPN lists all six of Brady's SB wins were of the GWD nature.

Furthermore, several of the records I have requested updates had been incorrect for more than a year, to include "Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)"

Wiki page had not previously cited this previous record and the record I replaced it with is confirmed via PFR when comparing all home playoff game history of any quarterback with at least 9 home playoff wins as found from http://6thring.com/nfl-qb-playoff-record-roethlisberger-brady-manning.html and cross referenced with PFR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrostCzar (talk • contribs) 05:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2019

Under Section 2011 Post Season A missed field goal from Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff gave Brady and the Patriots a 23–20 victory, sending the Brady to his fifth Super Bowl as a member of the Patriots.

the "the" is superfluous and poor grammatically 203.86.202.46 (talk) 08:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2019

12sean34 (talk) 01:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done. Please state your request in the form "change x to y". Tarl N. (discuss) 02:01, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2019

please change x to y NFL Records: Only quarterback to throw five touchdowns in one quarter. (2009 against the Titans).50.235.143.214 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC) 50.235.143.214 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2019

"He avoids consumption of most fruits," should be changed. The article cited in Men's Health says: "So, what the heck does his diet actually consist of? A lot of fruit, a lot of recovery fluids, and just the right amount of pizza." His book, The TB12 Method also suggests he eats a lot of fruit.(p.227) 70.66.128.45 (talk) 03:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Eh, sources differ I guess. He has said he avoids a lot of fruits due to the sugar content. If you find a more specific source about it, provide it here. Trillfendi (talk) 03:56, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

NFL records in infobox

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WP:NFLINFOBOX at the very last item on "What to include", it says "A separate "NFL records" section that includes major individual league records that the player currently holds." Since articles for other accomplished football players include these (the aforementioned Peyton Manning for example), then these should go up there as well especially since it's cross-referenced in the body of the article anyway. You can make an argument for certain records not being included such as "oldest MVP" but that doesn't warrant deleting the entire section.--WaltCip (talk
) 13:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

There is no "NFL records" parameter, but records can be listed under |highlights= if there is consensus that it is significant enough.—Bagumba (talk) 15:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
(
WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT states "Arbitrary records, e.g. "most seasons with 1,200+ receiving yards and 12+ touchdowns in NFL history"" should not be included. Eagles 24/7 (C)
15:32, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Stats such as "Most Super Bowl wins as a player", "Most passing touchdowns", and "Most pro bowl selections" are neither insignificant nor arbitrary records.--WaltCip (talk) 17:15, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
"Most passing touchdowns" is a major record, except that Brady's record is "Most passing touchdowns, including postseason" which is not considered a major category. Stating he holds the record for most Pro Bowls and most Super Bowl rings as a player seems redundant when those stats are already included in the same section of the infobox. And finally, Peyton Manning also shares the record for most Pro Bowl selections, but that isn't listed in his infobox. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:31, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Win-Loss Records for Starting Quarterbacks

I think most of us can agree that Win-Loss records for starting quarterbacks are noteworthy statistics that are valuable to readers. The Win-Loss records as a starter (overall and by season) help to identify the successes of a quarterback in leading his team to victory. This is especially true in the case of

WT:NFL
.

Mwatz122 (talk) 04:58, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

NFL Record not listed?

Tom Brady set an NFL Record in 2009 with 5 touchdowns in 1 quarter (the second) in an NFL Regular Season game - https://www.espn.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4575371 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.16.95 (talk) 06:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Controversy

Leaving bias at the door, I can’t help but notice that every other page of this caliber has a “controversy” category. Should any and all legal actions and allegations against him (and the team) be shown in this sub-category? It is apart of the history of his story and is also conviction in the court or law and/or punished by the nfl. His page should be fully accurate. TC8907 (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

We probably shouldn't do that. It's for the better. We're not here to tear Brady apart, we're here to tell his story and who he is. Mk8mlyb (talk) 18:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
WP:CSECTION is a good read for this. We don't specifically avoid controversial subjects, but as good writers we should be able to incorporate positive and negative coverage into the same sections rather than having standalone sections for criticism or controversy. Larry Hockett (Talk
) 20:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not a diehard Brady fan but I don't see any noteworthy "controversy" worth including on his page. There's of course "deflategate" but that's all up or interpretation. Meatsgains(talk) 23:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2020

Change "Cal-Berkeley" to "UC Berkeley" or "California" Calgoldenbears (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done This is a direct quote from his father, we can't change the words that came out of his mouth. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Is
in-text attribution to his dad really needed, or can we assume he is reliable and summarize without a quote or mentioning him directly? Then we can use a more formal name for the school program. If it is deemed POV, the prior sentence would also need in-text attribution to his dad: he narrowed down his list to five schools.—Bagumba (talk
) 11:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Brady is leaving New England

Tom Brady is leaving the team he was with for about 20 years. We must update it. 2604:6000:130F:4FB6:E059:940F:CDF5:3CD3 (talk) 13:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

He's under contract with the Patriots until March 18, 2020, at 4PM EST. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2020

Change "Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for the New England Patriots of the National Football League (NFL)." to "Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) was an American football quarterback for the New England Patriots of the National Football League (NFL). Decabytes (talk) 14:34, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done He is not deceased. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

He is under contract with the Patriots till 3/18/2020 at 4pm. Isuzu31 (talk) 22:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not a free agent

Brady cannot become a free agent until March 18, 2020, at 4PM EST. The current version of the page says he is a free agent, which is factually inaccurate. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Fox News as the source for Brady going to the Bucs? Yuck. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The source itself says "reportedly", so it should not be listed as a fact, if it's list at all. I've removed it as
WP:BREAKINGNEWS.—Bagumba (talk
) 03:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 March 2020

Carrer hisotry: New England Patriots 2000-2020 Kevin 12 101051 (talk) 16:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jalen Folf (talk) 16:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 March 2020

Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for the New England Patriots of the National Football League (NFL).

He has announced he is done with the Patriots. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/17/sports/its-hard-believe-tom-brady-has-played-his-last-game-patriot/ Please update article

Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback who previously played for the New England Patriots of the National Football League (NFL). 2601:447:4100:C120:DD6E:BDCD:E7FE:C9F7 (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Still under contract with Patriots until tomorrow at 4PM EST. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:42, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 March 2020

2019 postseason

Despite finishing the regular season with a 12–4 record and winning an 11th consecutive AFC East title, the Patriots were forced to start their postseason run in the Wild Card Round for the first time since 2009, where they faced the Tennessee Titans. From their own 1-yard line and trailing 14–13 with 15 seconds left in the game, Brady's 37th and final pass attempt of the game was intercepted and returned for a touchdown by former teammate Logan Ryan to seal the 20–13 win for the Titans.[1] This marked the first time since the 2010 season that the Patriots went one-and-done in the playoffs;[2] The loss ended the Patriots’ chance at joining their division rival, the Buffalo Bills, as only the second team to reach four consecutive Super Bowls. In addition, this also marked the first time since the 2010 season in which the Patriots did not reach the AFC Championship Game, ending their NFL record run of eight consecutive AFC title game appearances.

He has announced his departure from the Patriots, with both Kraft and Belichick even acknowledging it and thanking him. A contract which expires tomorrow is not a good excuse to not to include the fact that the matter has been settled. Please include the news of his departure.

2019 postseason

Despite finishing the regular season with a 12–4 record and winning an 11th consecutive AFC East title, the Patriots were forced to start their postseason run in the Wild Card Round for the first time since 2009, where they faced the Tennessee Titans. From their own 1-yard line and trailing 14–13 with 15 seconds left in the game, Brady's 37th and final pass attempt of the game was intercepted and returned for a touchdown by former teammate Logan Ryan to seal the 20–13 win for the Titans.[3] This marked the first time since the 2010 season that the Patriots went one-and-done in the playoffs;[4] The loss ended the Patriots’ chance at joining their division rival, the Buffalo Bills, as only the second team to reach four consecutive Super Bowls. In addition, this also marked the first time since the 2010 season in which the Patriots did not reach the AFC Championship Game, ending their NFL record run of eight consecutive AFC title game appearances.

Departure from Patriots

On March 17, 2020, Brady announced he would leave the Patriots.[5] Kraft and Belichick acknowledged this and thanked Brady for his time with the Patriots.[6] 2601:447:4100:C120:DD6E:BDCD:E7FE:C9F7 (talk) 19:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Was game-ending pick-6 Tom Brady's last pass as a member of the Patriots?". sports.yahoo.com. Retrieved January 5, 2020.
  2. ^ "Derrick Henry, Titans stun Patriots 20-13 in wild-card upset". www.espn.com. Associated Press. January 4, 2020. Retrieved January 4, 2020.
  3. ^ "Was game-ending pick-6 Tom Brady's last pass as a member of the Patriots?". sports.yahoo.com. Retrieved January 5, 2020.
  4. ^ "Derrick Henry, Titans stun Patriots 20-13 in wild-card upset". www.espn.com. Associated Press. January 4, 2020. Retrieved January 4, 2020.
  5. ^ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/17/sports/its-hard-believe-tom-brady-has-played-his-last-game-patriot/
  6. ^ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106594/article/bill-belichick-tom-brady-the-greatest-qb-of-alltime
 Not done for now: The free agency period doesn't begin until March 18 at 4:00pm EDT. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

left the Patriots

Since I cannot edit this article I want someone who can to change the article to say "new England Patriots: 2000-2020" although he hasn't announced what team he will play yet but look it up he announced his departure from the Patriots Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Brady's contract does not expire until March 18, 2020, at 4PM. He said he does not intend to re-sign with the Patriots, but that statement does not release him from his contract. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Brady on eagles?

Tom Brady has joined the eagles for 2 years then will retire Iamcoolman444 (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Very cool! Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Brady

He has reportedly signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jared L 9999 (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Keyword in your statement: "reportedly". It's not official. Until 4pm EST today, he's officially a member of the Patriots. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Brady Signs

Tom Brady signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers march of 2020 Jaleng784 (talk) 14:21, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

See the discussions above. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 14:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Not official until he becomes a free agent at 4PM EDT today, and then after the Buccaneers announce it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2020

Change Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for the New England Patriots of the National Football League (NFL) To Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the National Football League (NFL) 71.254.10.141 (talk) 15:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: See thousands of discussions above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Add his new team

It’s Wednesday, and the Buccaneers announced they would be signing Brady on Wednesday. Please update the page. Mastergerwe97 (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Please provide a citation that the Buccaneers have announced anything. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Right here, brah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.172.161.29 (talk) 14:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! My response was two days ago, and the Bucs only announced it an hour ago. We wait for official announcements before adding stuff here, and now the article has been updated appropriately. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Buccaneers

He is with the Buccaneers now according to the NFL MeowdaPug03 (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Source? Jauerbackdude?/dude. 00:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

[23] Here's one. Dannyyankee12let's talk 03:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

That source was from March 17, when no deals could have been signed until March 18 4:00pm EDT, at the earliest. It was
WP:BREAKINGNEWS based on an unnamed source, which is less reliable. Also, that source specifically says "finalized an agreement", wording used when a contract has not been confirmed to be signed. There is also the factor this year of delays in getting physicals due to the COVID-19 outbreak. There is a larger disussion on this topic of free agency news at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Pending_trades_and_signings. Feel free to participate there. Regards.—Bagumba (talk
) 04:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

NFL Career Statistics: Regular Season

It states that in 2010, Tom Brady had 369 touchdown passes instead of 36. That should be fixed immediately. — Preceding

talk • contribs
) 14:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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Guardian opinion piece

An editor keeps trying to insert this opinion piece into the article as a reference to unrelated text. I realize there are legitimate concerns about TB12, but there are better ways to handle them than stealth linking to an opinion piece.

Calidum
13:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I reviewed the Guardian piece, and I agree that this opinion piece should not be used as a citation on this page. Pistongrinder (talk) 04:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

The lead needs some text about his being the spouse of Gisele Bündchen

Outside North America she is _much_ better known than he is (because close to nobody there pays attention to American football), so that tidbit deserves more prominence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.123.100.42 (talk) 14:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Add unanimity of his NVP selection to the summary.

Brady is one of two NFL players in NFL history to be unanimously voted as MVP (the other being Lamar Jackson). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bababoui (talk • contribs) 02:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award#:~:text=Only%20two%20players%20in%20the,2010%20and%20Jackson%20in%202019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bababoui (talk • contribs) 02:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2020

In paragraph three, please change "Brady is first all-time in career passing yards and touchdown passes" to "Brady is second all-time in career passing yards and touchdown passes", because Drew Brees is actually first in both categories.

Source for career passing yards = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_passing_yards_leaders

Source for career passing touchdowns = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_passing_touchdowns_leaders 24.249.80.90 (talk) 15:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Goldsztajn (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Junípero Serra High School Hall of Fame in 2003

Is their a source for his sister Maureen getting inducted into the hall of fame? It's an all boys school I don't see how she could have gotten in and she isnt listed on the school webpage for it https://www.serrahs.com/athletics/athletics-awards-championships/halloffame/serra-hall-of-famers . Also the schools website says it was 2004 not 2003 when brady was inducted.

RacSocvvv (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like Maureen should be removed from that list. Maybe place a [dubious – discuss] tag on her name? Tarl N. (discuss) 21:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@RacSocvvv: Flagged. I'll let someone more familiar with that hall of fame actually remove the mention. Tarl N. (discuss) 21:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Tarl N., just going to remove it until a source can be found. No reason to keep a dubious and unsourced claim up for months. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@Dissident93:. Sounds good. Never did get around to tracking down who added it. Tarl N. (discuss) 23:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

"199 Productions" listed at Redirects for discussion

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199 Productions. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 20#199 Productions until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠
) 20:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

"Super Bowl LIII" Paragraph

Please, anyone who is able to edit this page you have to put in the end of Super Bowl LIII this: "In addition, he tied Fuzzy Thurston, Forrest Gregg and Herb Adderley for the most titles of all-time by a player in sport history. He also became the Quarterback with the most titles of all-time in sport history.

Go to List of players who have won the most NFL championships (go to "Six championships") to find the information and also write it to the section of "NFL Records". 188.117.224.124 (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Touchdown Passes

The infobox and the text say that he has 559 touchdown passes, but the list of career touchdown pass leaders says 561. The text says that he is second in career touchdown passes. Is he first or second (until Sunday)? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

He also has 87 touchdown receivers, not 77 Zmanistheman (talk) 04:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

It should be mentioned that the 2019 and 2020 season, Brady and Brees were going tit for tat on the Career TD pass record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:71:6250:F1C1:B32A:96E1:966E (talk) 01:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

AFC/NFC Champion

If were going to list Pro bowls etc Shouldn't being the AFC/NFC Champion for a total of 10x as a starting QB be listed as well? (for Career highlights and awards ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6081:4040:7400:144D:171F:65E3:A0C4 (talk) 00:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

No, per
WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT.—Bagumba (talk
) 15:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

NFL records

His awards section contains superfluous information. These are statistics, not awards. "NFL RECORD 33 PLAYOFF WINS: MORE THAN ANY PLAYER OR HEAD COACH. NFL RECORD 12 CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFF APPEARANCES: TEAM, PLAYER OR HEAD COACH. NFL RECORD 10 SUPER BOWL APPEARANCES: MORE THAN ANY PLAYER OR HEAD COACH." Even if we're going to feature them in the career statistics section, it would be better to write this as "33 playoff wins" or "Most playoff wins". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scoopymane (talk • contribs) 01:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Someone has already removed them.—Bagumba (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2021

Second paragraph states nine super bowl appearances and should be ten. "As the team's primary starter for 18 seasons,[a] Brady led the Patriots to a total of 17 division titles (including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019), 13 AFC Championship Games (including eight consecutive from 2011to 2018), ten Super Bowl appearances, and seven Super Bowl titles, all NFL records for a player and franchise. He joined the Buccaneers in 2020, where he led them to Super Bowl LV in his first season. His Super Bowl appearance with Tampa Bay is his record 10th individually.[13]" Deadmilkman4202112 (talk) 03:18, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 Already done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:14, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

National Championship

Please leave in the note about Brady winning a National Championship at Michigan in 1997.

Yes, he was the backup to Brian Greise, and didn't play much that year, but a ring is a ring, and an NCAA Title is certainly lede worthy.

Vjmlhds (talk) 04:11, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

It is not lede worthy because he did not play a role in that National Championship. The focus of the lede should be what he actually accomplished. It's a blip in the body of the article and therefore not lede worthy. Bluerules (talk) 04:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
An NCAA Title is lede worthy just in and of itself because of what it is..like I said, a ring is a ring. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
No it isn't when Brady won seven rings in games he actually played in. Like I said, this exists only to confuse readers and give undue weight toward something barely touched upon in the article. Bluerules (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I tweaked things a bit to acknowledge the hardware, but not make it sound like he was the reason for it (he was the backup that year), but still the hardware in and of itself is lede worthy. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
This information was excluded from previous versions for a reason - it is not lede worthy. What his lede worthy is his NFL successes. Bluerules (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
It wasn't excluded so much as simply no one brought it up. And to say it confuses readers is a purely subjective opinion. At the end of the day, if we can mention he played college football in the lede, we can also mention he has a National Title to his credit as well...no logical sensible reason not to include it. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
It was excluded because no one else considered it necessary. At the end of the day, you are trying to argue that being on a team that won a championship he didn't play in is on equal, or at least near weight to all the championships he won as a starter. It is a fact that he was a low pick and it is a fact that paring an accomplishment in college with mention of him being selected low is contradictory, hence the confusion. There is no logical, sensible reason to include something trivial in any lede, let alone one as large as Brady's. Bluerules (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
So what if he was a low pick? He is still a National Champion. And explain to me how it would "confuse" people to mention he won a ring (if you're on the team, you get a ring, period) and also his draft position...both things are true. The only one making a big stink about this is you because for whatever reason, you are hell bent on removing it like it didn't exist. Seriously, almost the entire lede is about his NFL career and rightly so...a mention in one sentence about winning a national title in college is NOT putting undue weight on anything, it is merely listing an accolade. Now if somebody took 2 whole paragraphs in the lede talking about his college career, then you'd have a point, but a quick mention - come on...you're making much ado about nothing. I'm not trying to have a fight with you, but you gotta have a little perspective here - a brief mention of a college accolade is not putting undue weight on it...one sentence ("Brady played college football in Michigan - where he has a 1997 National Championship to his credit...") compared to basically 3 whole paragraphs focusing on his NFL career is hardly undue weight. You're kinda going overboard on this. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
One, it is contradictory to match up a college accomplishment with being a low pick. Being a National Champion, especially for a quarterback, would normally raise a player's draft stock. So it would confuse readers without the additional context (the fact that he didn't actual play in said National Championship) why a National Champion quarterback wasn't taken until the sixth round. You say I'm "making a big stink about this", but look in the mirror. You are hell bent on including it when it does not have the necessary weight to warrant its inclusion, hence why it has never been in previous versions of the article. Also, look at the sentence without your insertion: "After playing college football at Michigan, Brady was selected 199th overall by the Patriots in the sixth round of the 2000 NFL Draft, earning him a reputation as the NFL's biggest steal." Already, that's a mouthful. You are proposing to make it even longer, to the point where it's too long - and for what? Something that was a blip in Brady's life, something he didn't truly win. There already is a quick mention about his collegiate career in the same sentence and that's all that's needed. He didn't have the chance to prove himself at Michigan, was selected lowly, and established himself as the regarded greatest quarterback of all time. It's undue weight to throw in something that's a mere sentence in the body ("He was a backup quarterback for his first two years, while teammate and future NFL quarterback Brian Griese led the 1997 Wolverines to an undefeated season, which was capped by a victory in the Rose Bowl and a share of the national championship.") into the lede. And again, perspective - this is already a long sentence. It doesn't need to be any longer, especially with something that doesn't speak to what Brady is known for. Bluerules (talk) 05:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
All -- Please see
WP:3RR. Cbl62 (talk
) 05:22, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
If other editors support this addition, I will not argue against the consensus. But I maintain that the sentence is too long with this addition. Bluerules (talk) 05:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I am not taking sides, just warning against edit warring. To my mind, Brady's participation in the 1997 season (15 total passes) is not lead-worthy. If more were to be added to the lead concerning his collegiate career, mention of his significant accomplishments as the starter in 1998 and 1999 would be more apt. His leading the 1999 team to a No. 5 ranking and a come-from-behind victory over Alabama in the 2000 Orange Bowl strike me as far more significant. Cbl62 (talk) 05:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I concur, although I see these as difficult additions due to the length of the current sentence and the amount of sentences already in the paragraph, as well as the aforementioned fact that he was still a low-regarded prospect. There could be a way to add it, but I'm currently not certain of how. Bluerules (talk) 05:37, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't being a National Champion - regardless of circumstances - trump anything else Brady did in college? It IS a ring. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
It doesn't because as Cbl62 pointed out, he only had 15 total passes. What's more lede worthy are the accomplishments he took a key part in. Bluerules (talk) 05:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
IMO, no. Brady was a backup who saw very little action in 1997. His role on the 1998 and 1999 teams is more significant. I would be fine with adding a couple sentences to the lead about his Michigan career, but those sentences should focus on his actual (and signifcant) accomplishments -- the 2020 Orange Bowl was IMO the real highlight of his collegiate career. Cbl62 (talk) 05:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
You can talk about the other stuff, that's fine, all I'm saying is that he does have a ring, and a quick mention of that wouldn't hurt. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
It hurts if it bloats the lede. Bluerules (talk) 06:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Try this - Brady played collegiately at Michigan. Though he had some success and accolades - including being part of the 1997 National Champion team (as a backup), defeating Arkansas in the 1999 Citrus Bowl and a come-from-behind win in the 2000 Orange Bowl against Alabama - he was not a highly regarded NFL prospect. He would wind up going in the sixth round (199 overall) to the New England Patriots in the 2000 NFL Draft, where would wind up being considered on of the all-time steals of the draft. You touch on the highlights, but also mention his draft status. Doesn't confuse anybody, doesn't put undue weight on anything, just a quick synopsis that acknowledges his accolades while giving context. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:52, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
It's not a "quick synopsis" when it extends one sentence into three sentences. It would bloat the paragraph and make the lede more difficult to read. The current paragraph is four sentences, which is a good size. Maybe when Brady retires, we can find a way to split it between the first and second sentences (as we'll have an accurate and full summary of his professional career by then), but right now, this is an unnecessary bloat. Bluerules (talk) 06:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

When you get right down to it, what matters is that it's acknowledged and on his record, which it is in the infobox and in the meat of the article. Being in the lede isn't really THAT important. I just take every revert personally, as in my mind I think, "Why does this editor reject my edit? What makes him think he's better than me?" I gotta quit doing that. Vjmlhds (talk) 06:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I understand as I've sometimes felt the same way about reversions. I'm glad we've come to an understanding and compromise; I agree that it belongs in the infobox. Bluerules (talk) 06:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
So...fist bump? Vmlhds (talk) 06:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Go Brady! Bluerules (talk) 06:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Article overlong

Consideration should be given to summarising some of this long article so that the career highlights can be found more easily. Timmytimtimmy (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding concerns about article length and headers

I think we should try and model the article after the LeBron James article. Chunk together years to make it look cleaner, and more concise. We can also make a separate article for Brady's career achievements, once again mirroring List of career achievements by LeBron James, as to not completely remove some of the more detailed stuff off of Wikipedia.

If we chunk it we can maybe do (and obviously these names can change, but I'm just trying to convey the general big points of those chunks):

  • 2000–2004: Rookie season and first Super Bowl runs
  • 2005–2008: Near perfect season, first MVP, and injury
  • 2009–2013: Comeback from injury, second MVP, continued playoff shortcomings
  • 2014–2019: Return to winning Super Bowls, Deflategate, Third MVP
  • 2020–present: Years as a Buccaneer

Maybe some sub-heading chunks could be included, perhaps.

Alternatively, instead of chunking the seasons, we can just remove the postseason subheadings for every season currently. Certainly, in cases where Brady and the Pats went one-and-done (2009, 2010, 2019), or even ones where they won 1 or 2 playoff games, but failed to reach the Super Bowl (2005, 2012, 2013, 2015), we don't need a whole subheading for those. They can be simply integrated into the broader scope of the 2005 season section, for example. Soulbust (talk) 05:16, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, I think we can repurpose things from this article into the Brady–Belichick era article (if it already isn't included in there), if it isn't particularly fitting for a potential List of Brady's career achievements article. Soulbust (talk) 05:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
The article currently is 91KB readable prose, which is
WP:TOOBIG. There's too much game detail, which gets monotonous reading about this 300-yard game and that 300-yard game, over and over, esp. with his career and accolades as long as they are. Most game details should be left to the season articles e.g. 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers season. His bio should be summarizing seasons or longer spans, not getting into minutiae aside from career-highs or oft-mentioned information—not just pulling from that week's recap.—Bagumba (talk
) 12:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree. I'll be trying to draft a condensed/tweaked/trimmed version of the Professional career section over the next week or so. Soulbust (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Update

So I completed a preliminary trimming of the article. I mainly trimmed out the following:
  • Any super-specific game statistics (Brady's had elite game after elite game, so there's no need to essentially list them all here. These specific statistics would be more apt on 2018 New England Patriots season, or some article of that nature.)
  • Superfluous fluff (i.e. the location of the Super Bowl)
  • Very specific records (like how his record-extending 14th Conference Champions appearance in the 2020 NFC Championship Game doubles the second-place player on the list; this can be better included on a list article about QB win stats)
  • Redundant information
  • Statistical information related to the Patriots team (again would be better for the team's season-specific articles) or teammates, unless it's appropriate (like Josh Gordon catching Brady's 500th touchdown pass, for example).
I kept information related to single-game statistics if it was:
  • A significant first in Brady's career
  • A personal career-high for Brady
  • An NFL record or milestone
  • Perfect passer rating games (as they qualify as NFL records)
  • Season opener games to give a good starting point for some sections
  • Also, playoff and Super Bowl related single-game statistics usually were kept, but I removed any in-depth play-by-play or game summary type information (again this could be better incorporated or found in something like 2013 New England Patriots season or 2003–04 NFL playoffs, or something like that).
I believe this makes the latter end of his career (mainly 2015 onward) somewhat longer (not necessarily a negative thing or a "problem" per se), because he's starting to set so many career-length records, instead of single-season records (like in 2007) or game-highs. Also the whole Deflategate scandal adds to this section. I trimmed that section too (a lot of it was redundant and possibly copy-pasted from the Deflategate article.
I'm definitely open to further discussion on these changes I've made, but I figure they're pretty sensible, especially as preliminary cuts, if the goal is to trim this article down. Best wishes, Soulbust (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Great first pass at trimming down the article! - Brojam (talk) 06:21, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Super Bowl in first season as a starter

@Bmorrow151: I was going to move your edit to the body as being a bit too trivial for the lead, but it seems open to interpretation what first season as starter means. The SI source seems to be limiting to the first year the QB started a game (Kurt Warner was the first). However, "starter" could also mean being named a starter e.g. not just getting a spot start as a backup. In that case Roger Staubach and Jeff Hostetler could arguably be called first-year starters (though Hostetler only became a starter in the playoffs after Phil Simms was out.) [24] I'll remove it from the article for now pending further discussion of what to do with it.—Bagumba (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I believed it was obvious to the average person what a quarterbacks first season as the starter means but if it‘s too complicated for you that’s fine. Bmorrow151 (talk) 15:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It's the Vikings.com article, not me: Four (Staubach, Hostetler, Warner and Brady) of the quarterbacks won a Super Bowl in their first season as a starting quarterback.—Bagumba (talk) 16:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

And Roger and Jeff had already started games in the previous seasons. Brady never started a game. Jeff’s first start was back in 88. Not the year he won the SB. Bmorrow151 (talk) 15:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

As I said, SI treats "starter" to mean start one game, Vikings.com refer to "starter" as their position on the depth chart, even if they started a few games as a replacement but were still generally the backup.—Bagumba (talk) 16:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021

I would like to add Tom Brady’s most major NFL records to his career highlights and awards please. Yeekob (talk) 01:56, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Unclear request, and even if it was, per this user's other contributions, unlikely to be an improvement. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:46, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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