Talk:Tryst with Destiny

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This page has a Real Audio file, but it has a recording of only the first para.

I think this article contains only the first half of the Tryst speech. The full speech, as I remember from my school days, is the one on this page:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1947nehru1.html

However, the version given this article (i.e. the 1st half, together with a statement to the Constituent Assembly) can also be found on the net. I cannot explain it. Are there two versions of the speech? (Perhaps the first one delivered in the Constituent Assembly, and second one delivered from the Red Fort?)

If so, we have to make two decisions: (i) whether to use the longer speech; (ii) whether to move the speech to Wikisource, and make this article _about_ the speech (perhaps giving some quotes).

My vote for (i) is strongly yes, because firstly the longer version is more common (atleast in my recollection). Secondly, the second half contains some revealing lines, especially the ones referring to Gandhi.

My vote for (ii), if we use the longer version, is also yes. The full speech is too long and rambling to be reproduced in an article (1096 words, vs. 270 words for the Gettysburg address), and seems perfect for Wikisource. We could replace it with a short article giving the context and some highlights of the speech.

Warning: The text in the link above misspells "India" in the first paragraph.

Tryst with destiny has similarities with the FDR's acceptance speech of 1936 which has reference to the expression Rendezvous with destiny. Lets discuss this and include it in similarities/influenced by section. Krishnadevaraya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.217.8 (talk) 11:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Yeah its similar in the sense that both address a nation coming out of despair into a bright future. And that is where the similarity ends. It is in no way influenced per se by FDR's speech, the precedents to the respective speeches are entirely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.106.103.254 (talk) 00:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not referring to the whole speech.I am referring to the the phrase/expression coined by Prof. Samuel Beers for FDR. FDR didnt claim the phrase to be his own and it is known as work of Prof Samuel Beers. So, here the issue is about who came up with phrase first and and influneced whom. Tryst is one word and Destiny is another word. Combining the two words to give dramatic effect and persuade the emotional appeal is what I am talking about.And the copyright belongs to Prof Beers. So Nehru gave(wrote?) this speech in 1947 and Beers wrote this speech in 1936. You can do the math and the Democratic National Convention address has laid a new paradigm for Socialist ideals of the US Government and subsequently others in the world, which might have influnced Nehru too. Lets give Prof Beers his due. Krishnadevaraya —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishnadevaraya (talk • contribs) 15:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is extremely problematic. This is original research by the author of the post - there is absolutely no indication that Nehru's speech was based on FDR's. If the author of the article feels it is the case - please draw on valid references for the same. Saying 'you can do the math' is no argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.47.211 (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is the text appropriate for Wikipedia? Should it not be moved to Wikisource? BethNaught (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• The first two paragraphs should be kept as fair use. I don't know its copyright status in the US, so can not comment on moving to Wikisource. Tito☸Dutta 10:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The speech has been removed at times stating that it's presence violates copyright law. Could someone with the appropriate knowledge please confirm whether this is the case? --76.67.98.117 (talk) 17:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I actually left a note on your talk page before I realized you had posted here. I suggest asking at the

copyright noticeboard where editors with experience with copyright laws can provide guidance. S0091 (talk) 18:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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@MER-C: Please could you clarify whether it is appropriate for Wikipedia to quote the text of this speech? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to Indian copyright laws, the whole speech is not protected by any copyright. Some have thought otherwise because they attribute the speech to Nehru, who died on 1964 and so protected for 70 years from the death of the author. But the speech is not a personal work of Nehru. It is a part of resolution passed by the interim Prime Minister of India on 14th August 1947 in the Constituent Assembly of India in the capacity of being a member in that assembly. The whole proceedings of that assembly, with the speech as an integral part, was published on 1950 by Lok saba, a body of Indian Government. By Indian copyright act of 1956 (chapter V section 25), any work by Government after 60 years of publication is in public domain. So, the speech is in public domain CXPathi (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]