Talk:Villajoyosa

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The result of the move request was: Move. There is decisive consensus for a move away from the present title, and per the comments below this option has the most support. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - very odd currently. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:54, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename to
  Vila Joiosa , we should use Valencian. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  I have a sneaking suspicion that the Valencian name would not be

  the name most supported by the sources. --Izno (talk) 03:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply

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• Support move This is the name used in the preponderance of sources, and therefore should be the name used by wikipedia.Tazerdadog (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Relisting comment: There's clear consensus for the move, but we need some evidence for which form is most common in the relevant sources.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  Villajoyosa has about 2.9m Ghits, La Vila Joiosa has about 1.7m Ghits, and Vila Joiosa has just shy of 1m, of which I would suspect the majority are a duplicate of La Vila Joiosa. GNews has it at about 4k, 550, and 550 respectively. I think Villajoyosa is probably the one to go with. --Izno (talk) 22:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  That doesn't make sense, how does "La Vila Joiosa" have more hits than "Vila Joiosa" ? That's a longer term with the exact smaller term as a part of it, that would be impossible to have less hits for the shorter term. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:29, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  I think 76.65.128.222 is right, of the two we should probably use the Valencian name. It is in Valencia after all, and most of our smaller town articles do so. Apparently it is also known just as "La Vila" to the locals:

  Lonely Planet Costa Blanca Miles Roddis - 2002 - Page 216 LA VILA JOIOSA (VILLAJOYOSA) postcode 03570 • pop 23,700 La Vila Joiosa ('Happy Town') is, in fact, a fairly staid place for most of the year. Known to the locals simply as La Vila, it perks up in summertime, dons its glad rags and has a ...

  In ictu oculi (talk) 05:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  I think where it's from is irrelevant. Among reliable sources (the hits on GNews), the term that is used 8 times more than the other(s) is the Spanish one. That said, the majority of those sources are in Spanish. Quite frankly of course, I'm just trying to get to one name... it does seem that the name of the soccer club there is "Villajoyosa" CF. Surely the Spanish name is going to be more recognizable to a larger number of people? --Izno (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes GNews has more Spanish feeds than Catalan ones. But this town produces no hits for either in English. Another reason to go with GBooks.

The reason where it's from isn't irrelevant is because of

WP:AT consistency with other articles, if we have 95% of Valencian towns at Valencian names (which I think we do) and then we give one a Spanish name, that's confusing, it makes it look as though it's a Castillian town. Of course for big towns the Spanish is familiar. I don't feel too strongly either way, but when GBooks is about 50/50 since 2005 I'd go for the local name. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply

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• IP: I've got no idea how one shows up less than the other, but it is probably due to the use of "la". :D --Izno (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment "Villajoyosa" returns 26,700 results on Google Books, compared to 3,950 for "Vila Joyosa" and 3,090 for "La Vila Joiosa". Does that name work for everyone?--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 17:49, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Villajoyosa → La Vila Joiosa – Since september, the only official name is La Vila Joiosa https://alicanteplaza.es/adios-a-villajoyosa-el-tripartito-aprueba-que-el-unico-toponimo-oficial-sea-la-vila-joiosa

--Willy31igd (talk) 20:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment the externally linked news article says
  La Vila Joiosa -- it seems they dropped the "La" definite article (ie. "the") -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose. The question is, what do reliable secondary sources in English call it? It seems to be a rather fluid situation. We do give extra weight to recent sources in the case of name changes, but almost none to primary sources such as official websites. So wait until it stabilises. Andrewa (talk) 02:17, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]