Talk:Wheel of Fortune (American game show)/Archive 1

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Auditions

Someone added this text to the Jeopardy! audition process article; but it should definitely go here instead (if verified).

Wheel of Fortune audition process
A similar audition process is used for
Wheel of Fortune
. Instead of taking a 50-question test, potential contestants are given a 16-puzzle test divided into four categories with some letters revealed (similar to the program's bonus round). The contestants have 5 minutes to solve as many puzzles as they can by writing in the correct letters. A passing score is considered to be 12 out of 16 but like Jeopardy!, exact scores are never given. The people who pass stay for a while to compete in a mock version of the game using a miniature wheel and a puzzleboard.

Cheers,--Aervanath (talk) 13:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Source: [[1]] This verifies everything but the "A passing score" sentence. JTRH (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Added it. Us441(talk)(contribs) 10:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Biggest wins and losses on Wheel of Fortune

The page "Biggest wins and losses on Wheel of Fortune" has been moved to "Talk:Wheel of Fortune (U.S. game show)/Biggest wins and losses" in order to preserve history of this article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

NBC's brief cancellation of the show in 1980

I think the Randy West-sourced statement about the daytime show's brief cancellation in 1980 is incorrect. I've read (but don't remember where just now) that Silverman reversed the decision to cancel it because it was NBC's highest-rated daytime show (or at least game show), not because the decision was made to cut the Letterman show from 90 minutes to 60. The Letterman show was 90 minutes when it premiered, and was cut to an hour after it had been on the air for several weeks. The shows that were cancelled to make room for Letterman (in the 90-minute format) were Card Sharks, Hollywood Squares, and the second NBC version of High Rollers. I can't disprove Randy's statement without more research, so I'm going to leave it for now, but it may be subject to change in the future if I can source it. JTRH (talk) 21:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

For the record, while I know this is seven months after the fact, Wheel was poised for cancellation twice in 1980 – while the first was being among the candidates to be ousted for Letterman (an idea dismissed by May), the second was followed through to the point of a series finale being taped for August 1. As I understand it, Silverman realized that Letterman was struggling as a 90-minute series and hence it was chopped down on August 4. (The cancellation announcement was why Charlie O'Donnell was replaced by Jack Clark, as the former left to do another series.) Also, Randy West is/was friends with and has myriad connections in the game show industry – he, Fred Wostbrock, and Roger Dobkowitz are among the most knowledgeable and trustworthy people in the genre. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 03:23, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 01:11, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

either favor or oppose inclusion of punctuations. Nevertheless, I thought typing in "U.S." is not as convenient as "US". To be fair, I wonder how others feel about this. --George Ho (talk
) 20:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Support. In an international encyclopedia such as Wikipedia we try for commonality (see
    WP:MOS
    ). The modern tendency is to avoid the use of periods in such abbreviations as "UK" and "US". Even the hugely dominant US style guide Chicago Manual of Style now recommends "US". From the current edition, CMOS16 (my underlining):

10.4 Periods with abbreviations
In using periods with abbreviations, Chicago recommends the following general guidelines in nontechnical settings. For the use of space between elements ...
...
3. Use no periods with abbreviations that appear in full capitals, whether two letters or more and even if lowercase letters appear within the abbreviation: VP, CEO, MA, MD, PhD, UK, US, NY, IL (but see rule 4).
4. In publications using traditional state abbreviations, use periods to abbreviate United States and its states and territories: U.S., N.Y., Ill. Note, however, that Chicago recommends using the two-letter postal codes (and therefore US) wherever abbreviations are used; see 10.28. ...

See also the
Wheel of Fortune (UK game show)
, it would serve the interests of the encyclopedia and its readership if we could break free of it. The firmly applied principle of uniformity within an article gives no support for lack of uniformity between articles.
NoeticaTea? 01:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I noted in my oppose that CMoS has flipped its position in the latest edition. It's worth noting that since the latest edition of CMoS there have been discussions at
WT:MOS about deprecating "U.S.", but the consensus has always been that either is acceptable. Your COMMONALITY point is reasonable, but I would argue that it's more important for this article to be in line with other members of, say, Category:American game shows, than with British shows that are based on the American one. Jenks24 (talk
) 15:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Comment: WP policy also allows for use of national variations according to subject, e.g., articles about the United States are generally written in the style of United States English and articles about the United Kingdom are generally written in the style of British English. If "U.S." with periods is the dominant self-referent usage in the United States (as the MOS states that it is) and "UK" without periods is the dominant self-referent usage in the United Kingdom, there's no reason not to use each as appropriate. Striving for "commonality" may actually introduce inaccuracy - a pet peeve of mine, for example, is that the infobox templates for game shows require the use of UK-English credit terms of "presenter" and "narrator" when the terms used in the United States are "host" and "announcer." Calling Drew Carey the "presenter" of The Price Is Right is inaccurate. He's not the "presenter," he's the "host." But "commonality" means he must be inaccurately referred to by the term that's used on British television? National variations exist and accuracy requires them to be portrayed here. JTRH (talk) 14:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose, based on conventions following national varieties of English. The periods are the dominant form in the United States. There is no need to create consistency where it does not exist. The same rationale goes for changing "UK" to "U.K.", which exists in numerous American print sources.--Jiang (talk) 22:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose
    WP:ENGVAR, and American English has not become as lax as British English in the degeneration of usage of fullstops. (though the lack of spaces between the fullstop and the next letter has become common) 70.49.124.147 (talk
    ) 04:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per
    WP:ENGVAR and because "US" looks like an English word in all-caps rather than an abbreviation. There's a reason Brits moved to "UK" more readily... because their period-less abbreviation is unambiguous. Powers T
    02:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
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Duplication/triplication

Some of the information in this article is given two or three times, including the dates of the network runs and personnel changes. It needs a major copy edit which I don't have time to do right now. JTRH (talk) 10:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Most of the repetition I see is just the intro repeating what's found in the article. Which is how it's supposed to be. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: No consensus Orlady (talk) 23:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Wheel of Fortune (U.S. game show) → Wheel of Fortune (game show)
– Okay, I will concede a.) that CBS had an unrelated game show in 1952 also called Wheel of Fortune, and b.) the US is not the only country whose version of the famous hangman/roulette game is called Wheel of Fortune.

However, in regards to Point A, a show that's been consistently on the air for 37 years and is still in first-run clearly gets priority over something that was only around for a few months in TV's infancy. In regards to Point B, all of the international versions are derivations of the American version. Would it not make sense that the original, American verison be at just "(game show)" since all other shows bearing that title (save for the 1952 CBS show) are derivations of the American version? This seems like a pretty clear cut

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to me. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?
) 21:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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37 years but 30th anniversary?

They don't acknowledge the Chuck Woolery years? Bizzybody (talk) 00:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The current version of the show doesn't count the daytime version as part of its history. The nighttime show is in its 30th season. JTRH (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

picture of set

The picture of the set is really outdated, could someone possibly find a picture of the current set.207.224.196.27 (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


Good Grief thousands of characters about such trivial crap — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.133 (talk) 19:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Citation needed tag

Re: the citation needed tag added yesterday with the edit summary "a GA with unsourced parts?": my understanding per

WP:GACN goes to to specify, "Inline citations are not decorative elements, and GA does not have any "one citation per sentence" or "one citation per paragraph" rules." I won't revert the tag that's in place, but thought I'd explain my own reasoning. I'll leave it to the regular editors of the article from here. Cheers, -- Khazar2 (talk
) 10:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

How do we watch the show?

P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.230.131 (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Wheeloffortune.com has a section where you can enter your zip code and find the nearest network that airs it. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

The file in the infobox is outdated the current season is no longer WOF's 30th year. Tom the Bergeron (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Wheel of fortune countries.PNG

This graph is very outdated and should be updated or removed. For starters, the German franchise version ceased already in 2002 (and a last low budget revival finally in 2005). 93.197.8.176 (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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Incomplete history of gameplay

One thing missing from this is "Why R, S, T, L, N, and E?" a question answered on several Yahoo! Answers pages and similar sources, like Quora. A systematic listing of gameplay changes and the reason behind them is at http://wheeloffortunehistory.wikia.com/wiki/Gameplay_elements. However, since none of these are "reliable sources," they are not included here. Unfortunately, finding a "reliable" history of something as trivial as a game show is a bit difficult. Any thoughts? Calbaer (talk) 17:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Per our
    reliable sources
    policies, all content must be verified against a reliable source. As you may know, Wikia's wikis are not reliable sources for citation of information incorporated into Wikipedia articles. But then again, I must remind you there are a LOT of minutae of Wheel of Fortune that are ineligible for inclusion in Wikipedia, including but not limited to the following:
    • Memorable moments in individual episodes
    • What stations air Wheel in what markets, and whether the show precedes or follows Jeopardy! in a given market
    • The status of individual episodes, and when the wiping of episodes was stopped
    • References to the show in popular culture (except maybe the reference to it in Billy Joel's song "We Didn't Start the Fire", provided the sourcing is reliable)
    • A list of theme weeks and when the show began to employ them (not only original research, but also in violation of Manual of Style guidelines discouraging list incorporation)
    • A list of all contestants who have won or lost $100,000 or $1,000,000 prizes in the Bonus Round (same reasoning as above)
    • Records of highest and lowest scores among contestants, or of Jackpot or 1/2 Car Wedge wins (not only original research, but also means incorporating unnecessary tables)
    • A gallery of non-free images depicting dresses worn by White in memorable episodes (violates
      WP:NOTGALLERY
      and also more than violates our non-free content criteria)
    • Description of the show's logo design, graphics packages, and typography
    • Which of the interim announcers between O'Donnell's death and Thornton's hiring announced in what episodes
    • The structure of the main theme tunes, the arrangement history of "Changing Keys", what specific prizes used which cues, description of the show's sound effects and the upgrade to them, and the famous chanting of the show's title at the beginning of the program
    • Descriptions of the individual iterations of the show's set throughout its history
    • Special camera shots, like the old "logo on overhead Wheel shot" opening and the chroma-key closing
    • Many retired gameplay elements, including the Surprise wedge, Double Play, null cycles (i.e., the host hitting Bankrupt or Lose a Turn on the final spin), etc.
    • Listing of the show's categories and their usage histories
    • Records of main games, toss-ups, bonus rounds, and their outcomes
    • Records of puzzle usage history, misspellings, and distribution of categories among episodes
  • Unless otherwise specified, all of the above information is ineligible for inclusion in Wikipedia because it is: a) too trivial or crufty, b) original research, or c) unnecessary. This is an encyclopedia ― not a fansite or a dumping ground for fancruft, original research, or unnecessary trivia. --SethAllen623 (discussion/contributions), October 22, 2015, 17:35 UTC.

Why do I need a source!?

Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune began stereo broadcasting in 1984!

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) 19:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Can you prove it? 206.74.211.95 (talk) 20:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I can't prove it. Stereo broadcasting was introduced in 1984. So, I say we use Stereo for (Syn/CBS). Mono for NBC versions.
talk
) 20:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
How do you know that stereo broadcasting was introduced in 1984, much less that the show adopted it then? If you can't source it, it's just an opinion which doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. And you're being so persistent in this that you're skating pretty close to another block. 67.197.213.222 (talk) 01:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
There are zero sources that say that Wheel of Fortune is in Stereo! Can we please revise the infobox and make sure it is 100% source?
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) 16:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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Number of episodes

Stop changing the episode count in the infobox without providing an updated reference. The tagged reference states 6,000 episodes.

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) 15:21, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

See also section

I didn't realize there were other things also called "wheel of fortune", such as the

User:AldezD. If any of these are the source of the name, they'd probably be worth a direct mention; otherwise, maybe "See also" links? -- Beland (talk
) 17:53, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

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AldezD (talk
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AldezD (talk
) 01:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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AldezD: I put those three items in a "See also" section because I think they are tangentially related to the game show, in that they both share the same name and the concept of gaining or losing money. I'm actually wondering if Big Six wheel is the direct inspiration for the name of the show, but the fact that these three things existed before the show I think is interesting in that the idea didn't just come out of the blue. What do other editors think? -- Beland (talk
) 01:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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AldezD: I could see an argument for the tarot card that happen to have the same name and shares a more tenuous connection (but to me that's still an interesting connection.) Big six wheel shares a common game mechanic, though the wheel matches dice rather than assigning monetary value to letter guesses. The disambiguation page isn't linked from this article, so I don't see how it helps readers of this article learn about those things if they've arrived here from a search engine. -- Beland (talk
) 02:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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AldezD (talk
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AldezD: That seems more appropriate for people who have arrived at the wrong article, rather than people who are merely interested in learning about tangentially related topics. -- Beland (talk
) 02:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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AldezD (talk
) 03:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Since we disagree on that point, I'm curious what other editors think. -- Beland (talk) 03:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Third opinion request

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AldezD (talk
) 03:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

third opinion request
:
Wheels and circles have had a symbolic importance in various civilizations throughout history and before (see Wheel#Symbolism for a short list), and we couldn't hope to include all of them in a see also section (in fact, we could hardly include even that subset concerned with fate and luck). Why? Because they're not even tangentially related, just vaguely so. Only one of the three proposed links is tangentially related - the "Big Six wheel" is a game of a luck that uses a similar instrument - but as it's already mentioned in the disambiguation page there's no reason to include it here as well. The curious reader could browse through a {{hatnote}} template at the top of the article ({{about}} seems perfectly satifactory) and find all the other links, grouped together in one place for their enjoyment.

François Robere (talk) 23:42, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Current information

This article makes no sense. Obviously Pat Sajak has been the host of what people know as the Wheel of Fortune for a very long time. If I were an alien I would have no idea of that reading this article. This makes it sound like he quit as the host in the 1980s. The caption for one of the pictures even says Sajak and White have hosted the syndicated version since 1983 yet there is no link to a page for the syndicated version. Which makes no sense because nobody give a sh** about any version of Wheel of Fortune that doesn't have Pat Sajak and Vanna White hosting it. So if the one currently airing is technically the syndicated one then this article should be ABOUT the syndicated show with whatever came on before being relegated to a footnote. Honestly, I think this is vandalism. Will somebody please fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.1.159 (talk) 04:49, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

This is hardly vandalism. The network daytime version (1975-1991) used to be the subject of a separate article which was merged into this one. Sajak left the daytime show in 1989 but has been on the nighttime version throughout its run. Yes, the current show is the syndicated one, as is made clear within the first few sentences of the article, and the overwhelming majority of the information in the article is about the current version. 32.179.50.207 (talk) 10:29, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The show is still on the air. Need current host information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.56.32 (talk) 00:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I confirm this confusion. The sidebar with all the host and producer information only gives host information for the network daytime show, which ended in '91. I came looking for a quick list of hosts and became half-convinced that the show had been only showing reruns since '91. Fortunately, I came to my senses, but had to dig into the article for information that is misleadingly missing from the sidebar. LordQwert (talk) 00:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The "Presented by" section is broken out into two sub-sections: Network and Syndicated, both in bold font, listing the on-air personalities associated with each version of the program. The section is not misleading nor is it incomplete.
AldezD (talk
) 01:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
There is no separate syndicated section. It's confusing as can be. 2600:8805:5800:F500:A8CF:29D7:88F5:2A92 (talk) 23:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
@2600:8805:5800:F500:A8CF:29D7:88F5:2A92: Then what's this right here? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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Erased or destroyed episodes.

I think some mention should be made about nearly all of Chuck Woolery's episodes having been erased or destroyed by NBC. That was an odd thing to do since TV networks around the world had mostly stopped erasing tapes for re-use by the mid 70's due to the falling cost of video tape and the potential of making more money from repeat broadcasts and other uses of archived shows. Bizzybody (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I have heard this, but I have no idea how it could be verified. JTRH (talk) 15:18, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Covid 19 Pandemic

Does anyone think there should be something added about the show currently not being produced due to the Pandemic? I think it has to do with production and would be a good addition to the article.

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Celebrity Wheel of Fortune

Should information about the new series Celebrity Wheel of Fortune added somewhere on this article? Cwater1 (talk) 02:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Controversies

Strange that this article doesn't have a § Controversies, nor does it appear to mention the rules regarding pronunciation. Television contestants have lost when they solved the puzzle, clearly and distinctly, but the judges disallowed it because they spoke with a regional accent which differs from the game's accepted pronunciation. Apparently Wheel of Fortune received public backlash from it, and the amount of money that the contestants would have otherwise received was substantial. But a quick word search in this article for 'accent' or 'pronunciation' returns 0 matches. The article shouldn't cite YouTube clips due to content ownership, but there should be enough material available for an section in the article. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 02:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

You might first look for YouTube clips, and then see if you can find corresponding news articles. One controversy that comes to mind is when they have one of those lists of 4 things and people have gotten dinged for throwing an "and" into the list, which the fans said is idiotic. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Comments by fans do not have an impact to the rules of the game. Please do not link YouTube videos as references that do not align with
AldezD (talk
) 12:58, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Not as references, but as guidelines for further research. Some incidents, such as the one I mentioned, have been well-covered and should be easy to find valid sourcing for. Although, in the case of a game show, "controversies" might be overstating things. It's just a bloody game show, not world-shattering news! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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