Talk:Wrong-side failure

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In the Invergowie accident, it was my understanding that the starting signal was a few degrees above the horizontal, not quite a full STOP, but definitely not a GO. If the signal had had an electrical repeater, which is rare for starting signals, then the repeater MAY have shown the middle or WRONG indication, depending on the adjustment of the electrical contacts.

That is a technical description.

A less technical description would be to say that "the signal arm was lying a few degrees above the horizontal, and was thus a bit ambiguous as to whether it was a Stop or Go indication".

Tabletop 11:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your non-technical description, but would substitute the word "few" to "several".

On mechanical signals (even if they have arm repeaters or not) the ON position is minus 5 degrees, to Plus 5 degrees. Wrong is from plus 5 degrees to 35. OFF from 35 degrees to 65 degrees.

The signal in question was sitting above the 5 degree ON position, and from what I can remember was adjudged to be between 7 and 11 degrees.

For what it's worth, a lot of Scottish Region starting signals were fitted with repeaters after Invergowrie, including the one that caused the accident.

Abbots Ripton

Tabletop 13:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: this article is a detailed description of an unusual situation. As the term is infrequently used there is not a significant amount of other information on the subject; the article is at the top of Google results for the "wrong side failure" term. If the article continues to be proposed to be deleted, please ensure that the contents are migrated to another (perhaps signalling-related) article before the deletion and references to this article are updated. Sladen 08:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Updated comment: s/usual/unusual/. Sladen 17:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is still not clear what caused the 2008 Chatsworth train collision, but a number of witnesses reported that the "starting" signal was green, which would have to have been a Wrong-side failure as the train coming the other way would have kept that signal at red.

Tabletop (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if the first occurrence of the acronym EMU would link to the article explaining what it means. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.191.239 (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

EMU, DMU Tabletop (talk) 12:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page says "maintenance workers during the night left a faulty point to the reverse position", but the linked topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livraga_derailment indicates that this was not the case, that the points were in normal position. I'm sure someone here knows which should be fixed (or should be indicated as a preliminary conclusion). 172.58.30.230 (talk) 20:41, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]