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The result was: rejected by BorgQueen (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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Execution of Russian soldiers in Makiivka
- ... that a surfaced footage shows at least 11 Russian P.O.W. are killed after they surrender to Ukrainian military forces? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/world/europe/russian-soldiers-shot-ukraine.html
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Created by Aye1399 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC).
- Comment This is seriously anti-Ukrainian NPOV. What we know is at least one of the Russians appeared to be guilty of the war crime of perfidy, attempting to kill Ukrainian soldiers after a real or perfidious surrender to a smaller force. Both sides should have known that a likely outcome would be deaths on the surrendering side if the prison-taking side followed SOP drills. —Michael Z. 17:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael: According to what is clear in the videos, which the United Nations has also confirmed, the Russian soldiers were finally killed and there is no one there except the Ukrainian soldiers. The condition of the Russian soldiers has also surrendered. Aye1399 (talk) 08:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- @S.O.P.in this situation would be to shoot all possible combatants in the larger group: not an “execution” but self-defence. But we do not know who shot whom or exactly when. The perfidious Russian doomed his own co-belligerents to likely death. Russian authorities exploiting this incident by insisting it is an execution without evidence probably exacerbates the effects of the crime of perfidy (the Russians have already summarily executed accused deserters, including one in a ritual sledge-hammer show execution, and their state media has called for take-no-prisoners and execute-deserters and execute-surrenderers policies).
- We literally have proof the Russian side committed a war crime, and we literally have only an allegation and no evidence the Ukrainian side did.
- (My user name is user:Mzajac.) —Michael Z. 19:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mzajac: Your opinion is completely biased, and what is certain is that at least 10 soldiers were killed in surrender, and I think it is necessary to say that you must adhere to WP:FORUM Aye1399 (talk) 05:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- The NYT source extensively used seems certain that “one of their fellow fighters suddenly opened fire on Ukrainian soldiers,” and wrote “the Russian gunman’s actions are critical, too, Dr. Vukusic said, and could be deemed perfidy — feigning surrender or noncombatant status as a ruse against the Ukrainians — which may be prosecutable as a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.”[1] —Michael Z. 17:37, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
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- . . . that a Russian soldier suspected of the war crime of killing of Russian soldiers in Makiivkaduring their attempt to surrender?
- . . . that a Russian soldier suspected of the war crime of
- —Michael Z. 06:49, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael: According to what is clear in the videos, which the United Nations has also confirmed, the Russian soldiers were finally killed and there is no one there except the Ukrainian soldiers. The condition of the Russian soldiers has also surrendered. Aye1399 (talk) 08:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
