ALT2: ...that

minigames feature "minimized" characters? Source: https://www.giantbomb.com/mario-party-ds/3030-21186/

-Bogger (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bogger: I really like the second option; it sounds interesting, and it's technically true, as the characters are shrunk with a device called the Minimizer. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging Onegreatjoke and User:Narutolovehinata5, in the hopes that one of them can weigh in on the proposed ALT hooks and perhaps complete the review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• New reviewer needed to weigh in on proposed ALT hooks and complete the review; no response to previous request in over a week. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 3

25 Water Street

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55 Water Street

• ... that the largest office-to-residential building conversion in the United States is underway at 25 Water Street (pictured)? Source: https://gothamist.com/news/the-countrys-biggest-office-to-apartment-conversion-is-underway-inside-the-old-daily-news-office
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Limia melanogaster
  • Comment: Image is optional, but we do have freely licensed pictures at Commons:Category:4 New York Plaza if there's a shortage of image-based DYK hooks. (Although the building isn't particularly pretty...)

There's an ALT hook I don't particularly encourage and haven't included as an option, but some sources claim that the building's design, including its narrow windows, was based on a punched card. This sounds too dumb to actually be true, though, so seems more like local lore repeated. Created by SnowFire (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by SnowFire (talk) at 05:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/25 Water Street; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• original research. It would actually make a good hook. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 21:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
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  • I guess that's the penalty for mentioning it... [1] (same source as above) says "It was designed to look like a punch card and housed telecommunications offices and equipment", [2] says "The building was designed in the 1960s to look like a punched card, as a nod to the tech and telecommunications offices it housed" (a sentence so similar it might have been directly based on the Gothamist article). That said, we have editorial discretion here. These are two random sentences that could well be the result of a game of journalistic telephone. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources, and while I agree that it'd be cool to include if it true, I'm really not sold on it being true yet. Meanwhile, "biggest in the US" seems like a, well, bigger fact for a hook anyway. I'll go ahead and email the journalists and see if they are interested in responding as to where this fact came from, but even if it ends up included in the article, I'd personally lean toward the original hook anyway. SnowFire (talk) 22:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not an extraordinary claim, it seems quite reasonable that an architect would design a building in this way. Also, we don't have "editorial discretion" on Wikipedia, which would be original research, but we do assess whether sources are reliable or not. If those two sources aren't good enough for you, have you tried to find a contemporaneous source on the building's design (Newspapers.com is useful for this, which is free for experienced Wikipedians), or even one from an architecture-specific publication? Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 03:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SnowFire and Antony-22: Just chiming in briefly, but newspapers.com doesn't have comprehensive coverage of Manhattan topics between the 1930s and the present; I'd say Newsday and the New York Daily News are the only two major publications on newspapers.com that cover Manhattan. The search results aren't great, since "4 New York Plaza" (the building's original address) is used on tons of advertisements and notices, including those for the Daily News which had offices there. However, I did find this source, which honestly has a ton of info that could be added to the article, including the windows' exact dimensions and the reasoning for the relative lack of windows. Epicgenius (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yep, that sounds about right and as expected, it was to make air conditioning more efficient not a weird fancy about punch cards. I've integrated the source; a great find! (Although as a side note, the article mentions that the "contract price" was 2.4 million under estimate - but that's kinda vague. Whose estimate? Who got the saved money - the architecture firm, the building owners, someone else?) SnowFire (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I also did some searching myself and didn't find anything contemporaneous about a punch card design. This was the most relevant source I found, which interestingly says that the bricks we chosen to blend with surrounding 19th-century structures, all of which were soon demolished anyway. Hook checks out, so this is good to go. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 20:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(de-indent) Nice find! I've integrated the 1979 source as well on the bricks. SnowFire (talk) 23:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pulled from queue after this discussion at Errors:

• ... that the largest office-to-residential building conversion in the United States is underway at 25 Water Street?

  It sounds like spin, doesn't it? Two references for the hook. One (Gothamist) has the disclaimer "according to its owners", the other a site called New York YIMBY says it's the largest "per unit count". I expect this also comes from the developers. According to this these are only plans awaiting approval, and the large number of units would involve some units without bedroom windows (which isn't allowed in New York). We shouldn't be stating this as fact in wikivoice. Secretlondon (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The latter source from August 2023 says that the developers "have announced plans" for a building conversion. I share your concern and suggest we pull the hook. Premeditated Chaos, is that ok with you? Schwede66 17:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Not a problem, I'm sorry I missed it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll put the nomination back into the unapproved pile. Ping Secretlondon and Premeditated Chaos for info. Schwede66 23:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I think the existing hook is fine. Of course it's sourced to the owners - but that is the nature of a planned change, and this would seem a very difficult thing to "lie" about. Describing this as merely "announced plans" is wildly misleading - I can literally see the workers going at it, and there are pictures in the article of the renovation underway. It is not a planned renovation, it is a currently underway renovation. There was a $536 million loan to make this go. It's happening.
• The Debevois source brought up by Secretlondon says: Though zoning regulations and building code hurdles remain, including density restrictions and the requirement of windows in bedrooms, Mayor Adams has pledged to reexamine some of these restrictions. This is nothing like saying that the renovation won't still happen and be the largest in the United States. It just means that there will be challenges in the future. I suppose the argument is that this is the largest office-to-residential conversion by unit count, and maybe the zoning regulations will require fewer, larger apartments, to compensate the window problem... but I'm still not sold that even in this possible scenario, it's a major problem with the hook. It's just... thought experiment. Suppose a total disaster happens and 25 Water ends up unfinished and abandoned like the Ryugyong Hotel. Then this hook would still be accurate in retrospect, IMO. That would mean that someone tried to do the largest office-to-residential conversion, it was indeed underway circa 2023, but it failed. The same should be true if zoning regulations require reshuffling of how many apartments get stuffed in.
• I'm open to suggestions, but per above, the hook is accurately describing the current situation as stated in reliable sources, with the usual proviso that we don't have a crystal ball to see the future. But that's true of lots of hooks. SnowFire (talk) 00:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Per S66, should be in the unapproved pile. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I don't know how to move forward here. I actually dislike overly promotional hooks myself at DYK but disagree this in particular was a promotional hook (you can't buy condos or rent there yet!). This isn't the kind of meaningless critical babble like "Did you know Some Reviewer said Some Media Work was Totally Badass". There was nothing wrong with the original hook and I don't see a better one. I'll ping Secretlondon again - do you agree with the argument above? If not, what would make this hook qualify in your view to avoid controversy? I stated my case a long time ago above, but if I did find a brave person ready to promote again, I don't want just another trip back to ERRORS. SnowFire (talk) 08:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The original hook failed at Errors, so I have struck it. Attempting to put it through again simply isn't going to fly, and will result in another trip back to Errors. If another hook cannot be proposed, then this nomination cannot proceed, and will be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• @Epicgenius: Do you want to take over this and propose another hook? I honestly thought this had already closed permanently and didn't realize this was still considered live. I remain utterly baffled that a claim that is barely promotional at all (is number of apartments really a selling point? Wouldn't a promotional hook be more about how luxurious and fantastic it'd be?) is considered promotional, so therefore I'm unable to really fix this, because apparently any fact about the building is promotional or something. If you don't have any ideas either then we can just let it close, but up to you. (I mean, I guess I could go for a negative fact like the criticized windows, but that doesn't appear fair either, or really interesting.) SnowFire (talk) 04:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sure. I can propose something like:
    • ALT2: ... that 25 Water Street was designed to blend in with historic brick buildings that no longer exist? Tauranac, John (1979). Essential New York : A Guide to the History and Architecture of Manhattan's Important Buildings, Parks, and Bridges. Holt, Rinehart and Winston. pp. 226–227.
    • ALT3: ... that parts of 25 Water Street had few windows to make it easier to air-condition computers? Dixon, John Morris (January–February 1970). "Bulwark In Lower Manhattan". Architectural Forum. Vol. 132, no. 1. pp. 62–67.
  • Maybe I can take a stab at expanding the page a bit if these don't work out. Epicgenius (talk) 05:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Reviewer needed to check the ALT2 and ALT3 hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele)

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• ... that "Substitute Teacher" highlights the "duality of black identity"? Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/07/29/427411327/key-peele-is-ending-here-are-a-few-of-its-code-switch-iest-moments
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray

Created by ElijahPepe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Y Long enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral : Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ElijahPepe, great work. Thank you for creating this much-needed article on a cultural landmark of the 21st century. I had to check a few times that this article didn't already exist - I struggled to believe it. It is very well written and very well sourced. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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MOS:LAYOUT. Also I think we need to attribute the quotes in the hook. Bruxton (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Not sure where you're getting either from. The placement of the videos is fine and the quote has been attributed. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don’t mind re MOS:LAYOUT, but it isn’t a requirement for DYK. The article is up for GA, so should be covered there.

On the quote, it is inline attributed in the article. I don’t think it needs to be inline attributed in the hook, partly because it encourages clicks, but mainly because the statement is “sky is blue”, as most Key&Peele sketches are about this topic. What we could do is reword, remove the quotation marks, and replace the dual identity with a link to the article Double consciousness. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: I mentioned MOS:LAYOUT as FYI. But the quotation in the hook is from the podcast Code Switch. Maybe @Theleekycauldron: can help? Bruxton (talk) 14:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(here by request) NPR is reliable for its opinion, and constitutes due weight, but the hook will need to be attributed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is an option...

• ALT0a: ... that NPR's Code Switch said "Substitute Teacher" highlights the "duality of black identity"? Bruxton (talk) 23:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: What do you both think? Bruxton (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sounds good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK here. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think this hook could use more work. Even within the confines of DYKFICTION, we have secondary analysis of some of the sketch's distinctive quotes:

Qin also highlights the word choice used by Garvey, contrasting his slang with his use of words such as "insubordinate and churlish", "mischievous and deceitful", and "chicanerous and deplorable", the lattermost use of "chicanery" being an attempt to use parallelism.

This is an interesting and famous sketch, but the current hook doesn't even clearly express what it is. Could we experiment with something off the analysis of the sketch's language? Vaticidalprophet 04:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I also gotta scratch my head at the submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray as a QPQ. I know this is annoying, since we assume in good faith that anyone that writes a full review has done one, but not writing a full review (in this case, only the QPQ and hook were checked) can't count, especially when the article was subsequently maintenance tagged. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• I'll also throw in my suggestion, the result of workshopping between myself, Vati, and Elijah at different times:
• ALT1: ... that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" juxtaposes language like "insubordinate and churlish" with slang?

Given that it's a secondary interpretation of the plot, I think it clears the DYKFICTION bar. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onceinawhile: As the original reviewer, can you evaluate the new ALT hooks above? Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not a fan of ALT1, as it is quite tangential to the topic. How about:

• ALT2: …that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" has been analyzed for its racial commentary and educational insight?

I think it will surprise readers in a positive way. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ElijahPepe: Thoughts on ALT2? Z1720 (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

for ALT2 above. Z1720 (talk) 20:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 5

India national football team at the Asian Games

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India national team after defeating South Korea in the final of 1962 Asiad at Senayan Main Stadium, Jakarta.

• ... that India national football team won the gold medal at the 1951 and the 1962 Asian Games football tournament and the bronze medal at the 1970 edition? Source: olympics.com
  • ALT1: ... that India was the first ever Asian football champion winning the gold medal match against Iran at the 1951 Asian Games football tournament, held five years before the first AFC Asian Cup in 1956? Source: FIFA Museum
  • ALT2: ... that 1962 Asiad win is considered as the greatest achievement of India since they beat the then Asian champion South Korea with injured players in front of 100,000 hostile Indonesian crowds? Source: goal.com, FIFA Museum, The Indian Express
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: My first DYK nomination.

Created by Drat8sub (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/India national football team at the Asian Games; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• @Drat8sub: You have waited a long time for this to be reviewed, so I apologize on behalf of the community that it took as long as it has for someone to pick up this DYK nomination for review. You're good without a QPQ as I take it on good-faith that this is your first nom. You far exceeded the minimum size requirement and got the nom in before a week had elapsed following the publication of the article. The article is well-sourced; I did not do a GA-level review of the sources but my spot-checking suggests that you've done a good job. The images, by nature of their age and Indian law, all appear to be in the public domain (that I did check more thoroughly). The biggest issue is a minor one, but one that will temporarily stall the nom: Earwig picked up some issues with using the same terminology as one source (see here). Just rephrase those sentences so that they aren't identical with the source and I think I'll be able to approve! ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Pbritti:, I've rephrased the copyvios except this phrase, "...towards the end of 1980". I don't know what to write instead. Rest all, I think is ok. Drat8sub (talk) 06:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Pbritti:, hello mate, are you around here? Drat8sub (talk) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Due to some access trouble, I'm going to mark this as an AGF approval, but I think it's good to go! Nom'd image is also approved. Failed to address that earlier, if it was present in my initial review. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Pbritti:, thanks for the review. Is there anything needed from my end for the process to complete or it is automatically be done by any admin ?

• WP:GOCE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
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definite articles

(e.g. at midpoint, since been the part of every edition, As per draw, the winner of Iran versus Burma match, earned the praise, becoming first ever Asian Champion, Hong Kong was third seeded team, etc.).

There are also numerous tense mistakes, grammatical errors and instances where the prose is unclear (e.g. but sanction was taken in advance from FIFA, who lobbed the ball with in six yard box towards Mewalal who shoot the ball, But Indian forward dou, who took a scorching shoot, this time Venkatesh made the ball in possession of Mewalal who shoot the ball, and full packed stadium of 25,000 spectators, three definite goal shot, the draws for the Football tournament, Idonesia, will participate...will play...is increased...would be played, Japan's only managed two, However, o 3 May 1954, which resulted India's early exit from the tournament, etc.).

And I have only seen up to the end of the 1954 section.

I know that if I promoted this article to the queue in this state, I would be excoriated at

WP:ERRORS—hence, I suggested you ask GOCE, which is not solely for GA/FA assessments, or a copyeditor to improve the prose. I hope you see my reasoning. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Okay, fine...I'm requesting at GOCE. Will let you know once the article is refined. Drat8sub (talk) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 13

SPICES (Scouting)

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• ... that
  keas, joeys, cubs, ventures and rovers develop their SPICES, with social, physical, intellectual, character, emotional and physical development through scout activities in five countries? Source: https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/home/244842/after-24-years-allenwood-scouts-open-den.html https://gps.scout.org/handbook/cross-bridges-ireland/#1603807896348-c75e519a-f3b2 https://www.scouts.ca/resources/bpp/policies/program-standard.html https://scouts.com.au/blog/2018/08/21/the-spices-of-scouting/ https://scouts.nz/programme/ https://www.facebook.com/MaltaScouts/videos/1658554660887403/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John F. Quirk
  • Comment: 5 of the (5 associations each with 4 or 5 youth sections) are chosen because of diverse names, and show the age spread

Created by Bogger (talk). Self-nominated at 14:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/SPICES (Scouting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• I am afraid this article requires additional work, Bogger. Although it is technically long enough, much of it is due to the lead, which summarizes the rest of the article; and a section has been tagged as incomplete since September. Furthermore, I am concerned about the sources: for example, I do not see where citation #4 verifies the sentence. The article relies almost exclusively on sources which are not "independent of the subject", which throws into question the subject's notability and the article's neutrality. Surtsicna (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bogger: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Surtsicna:I've removed the incomplete template, and added more sources. Happy to let this nomination go due to the sources being two dependent/inter-related. Thanks for the review -Bogger (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 17

Mel Bartholomew

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A basic, 4x4, 16-unit square-foot garden

• ... that retired engineer Mel Bartholomew, who developed the efficient square foot gardening method, said he gardened "with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow"? Source: "He said of his philosophy, “I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow.”" NY Times
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fancies Versus Fads

Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mel Bartholomew; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• reviewing DrThneed (talk) 06:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

General eligibility:

• New enough: N - n
• Long enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral : Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - n
• Interesting: Y

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed : Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was nominated on 27 Sep, which I think is ten days after it was moved to mainspace, but I'm prepared to let it through if the promoter agrees to bend the rules.

• Sources - all good, taking the NYT ones on AGF as I cannot read them. Reference 5 needs tidying up, it is a bare URL and needs converting to cite news template or similar, with a date.
• "Square" of square foot gardening has been capitalised in places in the article - it shouldn't be, going by the style in the linked article about it (and therefore also needs lowercasing in hook).
• Hook - I was actually able to read the paywalled NYT ref through Earwig (forgot about that as a trick!) but it reports the quote as "I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheel barrel". That's a bit odd (I've never heard of a wheel barrel) but is apparently a common mistake in English according to Google so is possibly an accurate quote....can you confirm if original article says wheel barrow or barrel?

Otherwise all good, and I find the GIF eye-catching. DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC) DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thriley: Have the above been addressed? Z1720 (talk) 18:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am going to make a new hook that flows a bit better. Thriley (talk) 03:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thriley: Have you been able to propose that new hook yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT1 that Mel Bartholomew, who developed the time-saving Square foot gardening method, said that he gardened "with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow"? Thriley (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Source: "He said of his philosophy, “I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow.”"Reply[reply]

Have you fixed other issues noted in my review, Thriley? The s of square foot should not be capitalised (affects hook) and a ref format needs fixing. Otherwise OK. DrThneed (talk) 08:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thriley: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yup. All has been fixed up. Thriley (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging reviewer DrThneed to return to this review when they can to see whether all issues have been addressed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 18

Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman

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• ... that six years after
  Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her mother and a judge friend both committed suicide? Source: But on Aug. 10, 2022, Connie Land committed suicide with a single bullet ending her misery. Then, on Jan. 20, Andress-Tobiasson, 55, joined her friend in death when she shot herself at her $2 million Vegas mansion. [3]
  • ALT1: ... that after
    Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her family publicized the unsolved case on digital billboards? Source: Since the killings, the Land family has spoken to local and national reporters, and even placed Sydney’s portrait on electronic billboards in the Las Vegas area. [4]
  • ALT2: ... that a Las Vegas judge who was forced to resign over her involvement in the investigation of the
    shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman later committed suicide? Source: A former Las Vegas judge who resigned from her elected position in 2021 to settle a state ethics and discipline investigation has died, according to authorities. The Clark County coroner’s office confirmed Saturday that Melanie Andress Tobiasson, 55, died Friday from a gunshot wound. The coroner ruled the death a suicide, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. [5]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Selene Mahri
  • Comment: Although I submitted 3 hooks, I support the promotion of either ALT0 or ALT2, being that they appear to be more compelling than ALT1. On second thought, I think each hook has its merits, so I have no preference. StonyBrook _babble 14:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Created by StonyBrook (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

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  Number Go Up in the hook be a good idea? Or is it not worth it as it’s just a stub? Thriley (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
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  Good idea. I didn't notice that stub. Added. Coretheapple (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The current hook is 230 characters, way over the limit of 200. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Fixed now, I think. Coretheapple (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Yes, it's 198 now. Thanks for taking care of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 14:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I've added myself as second author based upon my writing most of the current text. This is the first time I've nominated an article I've expanded that was recently authored by someone else, so kindly advise if I've handled that correctly. Coretheapple (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Everything was handled correctly. You nominated the article less than a week after it was created. Thriley (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Thanks. I wasn't clear, as I think this may have been the first time I ever nominated a new article that I hadn't created myself. Coretheapple (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dan Fable

• ... that the ex-joiner Dan Fable built his own recording studio?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stan Brakhage

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dan Fable; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• Launchballer, I am not reviewing this but I have some suggestions. I would recommend Wikilinking Joinery because this seems to be a British term that might not be universally known. I would also recommend a different more interesting hook like: ALT1: ... that after spending time in prison as a youth, Dan Fable built his own recording studio and started his own record label? This is because just building your own recording studio, while interesting, doesn't mean much if nothing was done with it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT2: ... that in 2017, Dan Fable opened a videography company offering two live music videos and a photoshoot for £100?

ALT3: ... that Dan Fable started singing in prison?

ALT4: ... that Dan Fable had to complete "Low Down" very quickly after Venbee uploaded part of it online?--Launchballer 12:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sufficiently recent expansion at the time of nomination, just past the DYK length threshold. No DYK-eligibility issues (but could use a little copyediting -- is "got into" music the right tone?). ALT3 and Hickory's ALT1 are the best hooks by a significant margin, imo. Minor query: does "on a conveyer belt" mean the use of a literal conveyer belt to record somehow? Vaticidalprophet 09:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've taken the liberty of renumbering my ALT1 so that it is now ALT4 just because "ALT1" was already taken. I meant conveyor belt figuratively, but for clarity I've taken it out. Also changed "got into" to "became interested in".--Launchballer 19:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Launchballer, Vaticidalprophet, and AirshipJungleman29: I've pulled this hook; I'm not sure this article passes NSINGER as written, and have sent it to AfD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Launchballer: Can you please address theleekycauldron's concerns above? Z1720 (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article is still at AfD, at which I said my piece. I do know I chucked virtually every reference I could find at this, so unless there's an offline bonanza I'm not aware of, this is it.--Launchballer 01:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 3

Samuel Sparshott, Edward Sparshott

HMS Winchester

• ... that Commander Samuel Sparshott, who testified at Lord Gambier's court-martial, and Admiral Edward Sparshott, who commanded the 52-gun HMS Winchester (pictured), were brothers who served in the Napoleonic Wars? Source: Samuel: Gurney 1809: (Sparshott attested that on the 12th April:) The Imperieuse then made that half the fleet could destroy the enemy - seven on shore". Edward: O'Byrne (1849): " (Sparshott) commanded the Winchester 52, as Flag-Captain to Hon. Sir Thos. Bladen Capel In the East Indies. The latter appointment he obtained at the recommendation of William IV". Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815): The articles show them both in action in ships of the Royal Navy in Europe during that period.
  • Reviewed: Igbo literature and Lingang DRT
  • Comment: (1) Both articles were moved to mainspace on 3 October 2023. (2) I believe that as it stands, the image is rather glamorous as a thumbnail, but if you want me to crop it more, and increase the contrast to make it show up more, I can do that. (3) ALT0 has 183 characters, excluding the second bolded name, and " (pictured)", as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Formatting.

Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Samuel Sparshott; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Switch Disco, Bou (musician)

• ... that two different 2023 UK Top 40 singles by Bou and Switch Disco sampled "Children" by Robert Miles? Source: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/songs-of-the-summer-2023-contenders-leigh-anne-dave-and-central-cee-kylie-minogue-and-more__39570/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha, Template:Did you know nominations/Repeat Shoe

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Switch Disco; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• Both articles meet the technical requirements for DYK. I didn't find any close paraphrasing for either article, and QPQs have been provided. Switch Disco meets the referencing requirement, but Bou's sampling and it charting needs to be referenced.

My main concern is the hook. I'm not sure if it would be interesting to people unfamiliar with any of the artists mentioned. I've taken a look at both articles and I think there's some potential here for separate hooks for both artists. Particularly in the case of Bou, and how his firing eventually lead to his music career.

If I may, can I propose separate hooks for both Bou and Switch Disco in the meantime?

• ALT-A: ... that musician Bou went from being fired from an IT apprenticeship for producing beats during company time, to having songs rank on the UK Singles Chart?
• ALT-B: ... that Switch Disco's song "Everything" saw an 185% increase in its Spotify streams after it was used in the seventh series of Love Island?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Both hooks are fine by me. Bou's sampling and charting were both sourced, though I've added an extra ref before (Dale Smith) just to make it obvious.--Launchballer 05:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cool. Since I proposed new hooks another editor will need to sign this off. For now I've struck the original hook, but if the reviewer thinks the original hook is better than either solo hook they are free to unstrike it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 4

Kadu Makrani (film), Mulu Manek

• ... that Indian director Manhar Raskapur's films Mulu Manek and Kadu Makrani featured bandits fighting the British? Source: Rajadhyaksha, Ashish; Willemen, Paul (1999). Encyclopedia of Indian Cinema (Revised ed.). Routledge. pp. 197, 342, 363. ISBN 978-1-135-94325-7.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Premana Premadi, Template:Did you know nominations/Arrest of Omi in a Hellcat
  • Comment: Copyediting needed

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 14:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kadu Makrani (film); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• @Nizil Shah: Please complete the two qpqs as soon as possible. This DYK will be closed as unsuccessful unless this is completed. Z1720 (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

•  Done.-Nizil (talk) 07:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Full review needed now that the QPQs have been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WP:DYKFICTION - what else do you suggest?--Launchballer 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

• ... that Roman Ratushnyi, an activist for urban green space, was killed in the Battle of Izium? Source: https://www.economist.com/obituary/2022/06/22/roman-ratushny-believed-in-a-better-purer-ukraine
  • Reviewed: [[]]
  • Comment: I apologize for submitting this a day over the limit, but I hope it can still be used. Please feel free to suggest better hooks, the article is well-sourced and has many interesting facts.

Created by Ата (talk) and Toadspike (talk). Nominated by Toadspike (talk) at 20:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Roman Ratushnyi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• This is not a review but a comment, but I would suggest revising the article, as I feel it might not fit NPOV. In particular, the article seems rather laudatory to me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ата and Toadspike: Has Narutolovehinata5's concerns been addressed? Is this ready to be reviewed? Z1720 (talk) 01:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there, I'm not currently able to finish this up, I'm very sorry. I will do it when I can, it will likely be at least a week. Toadspike (talk) 13:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Malayalam softcore pornography

• ... that in 2001, around 64% of the total films produced in Malayalam were of the soft porn variety? Source: https://www.coursehero.com/file/201819931/The-Spectral-Duration-of-Malayalam-Softpdf/
  • Reviewed:

Created by Thilsebatti (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Malayalam softcore pornography; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• This is not a review, but I have a few comments about the hook. It's a good one, but you'd better cite to the DOI as a scholarly paper, because we otherwise can't be sure of the kibd of source we are dealing with. Secondly, the paper says that The year 2001 marked the high tide of soft porn production, when out of the 89 films released, 57 were soft-porn sizzlers, but this is 64% and not "more than 70%". I also modified the hook so that the "Malayalam cinema" wikilink is less
  WP:EASTEREGG-like and closer to what a reader will expect to click. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
  ]

@Thilsebatti: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thilsebatti: This is a reminder to address the above concerns. The nomination may be failed if the issue remains unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: and @Szmenderowiecki:, I have updated the article accordingly. Please do the needful. Thilsebatti (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Full review needed, since previous commenters have not returned in two weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Long enough, new enough. ALT0 short enough, cited, and interesting. No maintenance templates found, no neutrality problems found. QPQ unnecessary and image unsubmitted. I'm concerned about plagiarism; in many cases, sentences are almost identical to the source; as an example, "sexuality are at the heart of the film and every other character is insignificant" appears in both films, and so does "of the women in these films are stereotypically […] similar situations where the heroines are […] to be at least 25 years old". I'd like to see these and others addressed.--Launchballer 07:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 8

Ligue de défense de la race nègre

• ... that French Ligue de défense de la race nègre spawned the founding of a German counterpart in 1929? Source: Robbie Aitken (October 2008), "From Cameroon to Germany and Back via Moscow and Paris: The Political Career of Joseph Bilé (1892–1959), Performer, "Negerarbeiter" and Comintern Activist", Journal of Contemporary History, vol. 43, no. 4, pp. 597–616, doi:10.1177/0022009408095417, ISSN 0022-0094
  • Reviewed:

Created by Denis Barthel (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ligue de Defense de la Race Nègre; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• Note to reviewers: While Denis Barthel has received credit for DYK nominations in the past, these were for hooks that were nominated by others, so they are not required to submit qpqs yet. Z1720 (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • For the sake of future reviewers, this is specifically QPQ-exempt nom #2, the first being Die BIF – Blätter Idealer Frauenfreundschaften. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 06:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral
  : Y
• Free of
  provide the needed attribution
  so as to satisfy the terms of the CC-BY-SA license.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: Y
• Interesting: N - There's a lot of interesting stuff in this article, but this is not an interesting hook. Organizations often have affiliates in other countries.

Overall:

ALT2: ... that a founder of the Ligue de défense de la race nègre created a successor group free of dogmatic communism, and was then expelled by dogmatic communists who took over?

-- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 06:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tamzin: - thank you very much for your encouragement. I have fixed the copyright issue and I would like to suggest as a new hook (based on the former):

ALT3: ... that the French Ligue de défense de la race nègre spawned the first political organisation of Black Germans in 1929?

Please let me know, if that works. Thank you! Denis Barthel (talk) 14:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Denis Barthel: I think that works, yes, although I think it might be better without the "in 1929", and "spawned the founding" may be redundant... I would think either "spurred the founding" or simply "spawned". But I'll leave that to the promoter. with slight copy-edit. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 00:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you! I deleted "the founding of" and hope this is fine now. Denis Barthel (talk) 10:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Needs a new hook after discussion at Errors. Schwede66 23:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't have any ideas left and as I oppose ALT2 as it focuses on communism instead it's historic importance of early anti-colonialism, there is no hook available any more. I'd appreciate any ideas, else I guess this is just not right for DYK. Thanks for your efforts though, Denis Barthel (talk) 14:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC) P.S.: ALT1 has been struck though it is well sourced and mentioned in the article (beside this is not as common as Tamzin stated, neither in the anti-colonial movement nor in general at the time). Maybe it could be reconsidered? Denis Barthel (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Denis Barthel: If you would like, I can refer this to another reviewer for a second opinion as to whether ALT1 is sufficiently interesting. Personally I still do not see why it is interesting or unusual for an organization to have an affiliate in another country. That may well be the aspect of the article that is most interesting to you, but I don't think it will be interesting to Main Page readers. Alternately, as you say, we can end the nomination for want of a suitable hook. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 03:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dalí Atomicus

Salvador Dalí jumping while three cats fly through the air

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Dalí Atomicus (1948)

Unretouched version of Dalí Atomicus, with wires visible

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Dalí Atomicus, unretouched

• ... that before photographer Philippe Halsman decided to photograph three cats flying through the air (pictured), surrealist artist Salvador Dalí had wanted to blow up a duck with dynamite?

  source:	https://archive.today/20231008234446/https://news.artnet.com/art-world/tiktok-cancel-salvador-dali-2313418
  	... a collaboration between Dalí and the photographer Phillippe [sic] Halsman, in which three cats are seen flying through the air .... "Dalí said, 'I have an idea. Let's take a duck and put some dynamite up his derriere and blow him up.' And my father said, 'Oh you can't do that. You're in America. You might get arrested,'" Irene Halsman recounted ....

  • reviewed: mourning stationery
  • comment:

    i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with dalí atomicus.

    i'm not sure if a descriptive caption would be better than one that simply stated the name of the work, so have provided a few alternatives for discussion.

    i did not provide links to the articles on the artists as that seems to be the current practice at dyk.

    the unretouched version appears to be in the public domain, as noted by the library of congress here. i believe the final version is too, as it was printed in life with a copyright notice ("© 1948 PHILIPPE HALSMAN"), and i found no evidence here that halsman renewed the copyright.

    i am admittedly still working on the article, but wanted to nominate it before the deadline passed.

created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

• I shall have a look. Schwede66 00:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Created seven days ago and nominated today, i.e. that's just on time. Neutral. Suitably referenced. Earwig is clean. The problem is that the article is a stub with hardly any prose (385 B) and a very long off the 1,500 B that is set as the minimum for DYK eligibility. Hence, short of a major expansion, this nomination will have to be rejected. The other problem is that the hook fact does not appear in the article! Schwede66 00:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  apologies, Schwede66! i've already done the research to expand the article to the appropriate length, but am still typing it up. i just wanted to nominate the article before the deadline, as i mentioned above. (i admittedly ended up spending entirely too much time researching whether halsman renewed the copyright.) i should have the article properly expanded within a day, at which point it should include the hook fact. is that alright? dying (talk) 01:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Sure; that'll be fine. I suppose I reviewed it "as is". Schwede66 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Schwede66, i have now expanded the article. please let me know if you encounter any issues. thanks for your patience! dying (talk) 23:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• What a great article. Thoroughly enjoyed reading that one! Earwig appears to be down. Otherwise, the article now passes all the required checks. A minor content issue is that the two photos are described as being side-by-side, but on any of the three screens that I've checked (cellphone, laptop, big screen), they are on top of one another – please fix the caption. QPQ has been done. Hook is certainly interesting and the hook fact is referenced. The other snag is that the main photo is currently up for deletion; I suggest we park this until that issue has resolved itself as it's certainly a strong contender for a lead hook. Schwede66 02:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  thanks, Schwede66! i'm glad you enjoyed reading it. yes, i agree that the nomination should be put on hold due to the deletion discussion.

  also, thanks for pointing out the caption issue! i completely forgot about the possibility that one photo could appear above the other instead of next to it. i was trying to figure out if replacing "(left)" with "(left or top)" would be appropriate when i realized that there was actually no need to state that the photos were juxtaposed to allow for easy comparison, as this should be self-evident.

  i believe i've now reformatted the gallery so that it is platform independent. please let me know if this is not the case. dying (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• @Schwede66: Comments on the above? Z1720 (talk) 17:38, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Earwig is clean. Caption is resolved. Dying, could you please keep an eye on the deletion discussion and give me a ping when that's been resolved? Schwede66 17:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  of course, Schwede66. dying (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Schwede66, Dying: Commons deletion discussions routinely take several months. Given that fact and that there's a definitely-PD image, is there a preference to run the PD version or to wait it out? Vaticidalprophet 06:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Halsman took the photo in 1948, so what's a few more months? It's such an incredible photo; in my view, this should definitely be the lead hook. Hence my preference is to wait it out. Schwede66 07:19, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To be clear, the former version of the photo is unambiguously in the public domain (and is a featured picture on Commons). The retouched version with the brighter tones is the one to which the DR applies. This can be approved now and run as an image hook. Vaticidalprophet 16:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

i'm in no rush, and don't mind waiting it out. also, as the unretouched version has previously appeared on the main page, i think it would be nice to give the final version a chance to be featured on the main page as well. dying (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 9

Walker Interactive Products

• ... that Walker Interactive Products was originally a consulting company that used venture capital funds to become a software products company? Source: see footnotes 5 and 13 in article
  • ALT1: ... that when the financially failing Walker Interactive Products could not find a buyer, it staged a large-scale layoff in order to stay alive? Source: see footnotes 1, 4, 5, and 16 in article
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WDIG (AM)

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Walker Interactive Products; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 14

Perry Hartnett

• ... that a replacement player was injured replacing an injured replacement player? Source: Hartnett was one of the NFL's replacement players in 1987 - this report on one of the games with replacements mentions that Hartnett came in for (replacing) the injured John McGarry, and then was injured himself
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Love
  • Comment: A good quirky hook, in my opinion.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Perry Hartnett; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• @BeanieFan11: Please supply a QPQ as soon as possible. Z1720 (talk) 17:43, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Z1720: Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Z1720:, do you plan on completing this review? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • No, my note was just to get BeanieFan11 to submit the QPQ and I have not reviewed the article in any other way. I'll let another reviewer do the complete review. Z1720 (talk) 17:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Full review needed now that QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Georgia Twinn

• ... that Georgia Twinn released a single about an ex-boyfriend who thought he was better looking than Matty Healy?
  • ALT1: ... that aged 15, Georgia Twinn went viral on TikTok after lip-synching to "Mia Khalifa"?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maurice Duplessis
  • Comment: There are a ton of Commons images of Healy I could add to this nom.

Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 13:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Georgia Twinn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 15

Turbo Dismount

• ... that Turbo Dismount added a vehicle in reference to Back to the Future Part II called the "LeDorean"? Source: "Update Mondays: 'PewDiePie: Legend Of The Brofist', 'Secret Of Mana', 'Marvel Mighty Heroes', 'Alphabear', And More".
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination.

Created by Captain Galaxy (talk). Self-nominated at 10:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Turbo Dismount; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 16

John Ernest Adamson

• ... that the son of an engine fitter from England became Director of Education in part of modern day South Africa for almost twenty years? Source: Kallaway, Peter (6 January 2011). "Adamson, Sir John Ernest". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Shanks (politician)

Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Ernest Adamson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Harry Crosbie

• ... that property developer Harry Crosbie commissioned Daniel Libeskind to design Dublin's Grand Canal Theatre, but lost possession of it to NAMA within 5 years of its opening? Source: https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/harry-crosbie-the-man-who-dreamed-too-big/30441938.html
  • ALT1: ... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British Ambassador, in part, for entertaining Her Majesty with his showbiz contacts? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-names-crosbie-harry-crosbie-family-man-gets-obe/28821271.html
  • ALT2: ... that if you're attending a concert, musical or convention in Dublin City, Harry Crosbie might have paid for your seat? Source: https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/harry-crosbie-the-man-who-dreamed-too-big/30441938.html
  • ALT3: ... that Harry Crosbie, known for Dublin venues Vicar Street, The Point, Grand Canal Theatre and the Convention Center, was unable to develop a Gorey music venue? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crosbie-disappointed-at-being-left-out-of-concert-venue-project/39045187.html
    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/gorey-news/new-future-planned-for-gorey-market-house/a272533404.html
  • ALT4: ... that Harry Crosbie saved the Kittiwake, but lost it again? https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/docklands-developer-harry-crosbie-seeks-the-return-of-kittiwake-lightship/40378302.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2022/12/29/harry-crosbie-threatens-legal-action-against-dublin-port-company-over-ship-ownership/
    https://afloat.ie/sail/historic-boats/item/50183-dublin-docklands-developer-harry-crosbie-seeks-return-of-former-lightship-kittiwake
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Everett AFL team

Created by Bogger (talk) and SeoR (talk). Nominated by Bogger (talk) at 10:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Harry Crosbie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N -
  • [6] does not appear reliable as to the year Crosbie bought Kittiwake (seemingly a blog), and [7] does not verify 2008.
  • Neither cited source verifies 2021 as the year that Kittiwake was moved.
• Neutral
  : Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y
• Other problems: N - The "Personal life" section violates
  WP:BLPNAME
  . Please remove the names of Crosbie's wives unless they have significance beyond being his wives.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N -
  • ALT0: ? Depends on resolution of sourcing issue above
  • ALT1: Y
• Interesting: Y
• Other problems: N -
  • ALT2: Struck as veering on promotional
  • ALT4: Struck as non-neutral ("saved")

Overall: @Bogger and SeoR: A few issues to take care of here. Regardless of the sourcing issue on ALT0, my preference is for ALT1, although I'd recommend unlinking "British Ambassador" and either dropping the comma after "in part" or transposing "for" and "in part". -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 02:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added better sources for actual dates (2007, and 2022) for Kittiwake. Spouse names removed-Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tamzin: Happy for slightly adjusted ALT1a: ... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British Ambassador for, in part, entertaining Her Majesty with his showbiz contacts? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-names-crosbie-harry-crosbie-family-man-gets-obe/28821271.html

thanks -Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bogger: Sorry for the delay here. Was less active what with Thanksgiving and just now getting back to this. Thanks for adding the sources. 2022 checks out. The afloat.ie source didn't seem to verify 2007, but this other afloat.ie source linked from it did, so I've taken the liberty of replacing the source. Let me know if there's any issue with that. I would still have some questions on the wording of ALT0, but if we're both happy on ALT1a, then let's go with that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 04:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tamzin: that's fine by me. Thanks. -Bogger (talk) 09:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 19

Coriantumr (Last Jaredite King), Coriantumr (Son of Omer), Coriantumr (Nephite Dissenter)

• ... that the
  Nephite dissenter
  ? Source: Dennis L., ed. (2003). Book of Mormon Reference Companion. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: Deseret Book. pp. 215-216. ISBN 1-57345-231-9.
  • ALT1: ... that
    Coriantumr
    ? Source: Dennis L., ed. (2003). Book of Mormon Reference Companion. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: Deseret Book. pp. 215-216. ISBN 1-57345-231-9.
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  • Comment: Each of these articles were originally part of a larger article by the name of Coriantumr. I added content and split them into three. The original article now exists as a disambiguation page. The Coriantumr (Son of Omer) article has a notability issues tag, but we believe the article passes notability guidelines; Coriantumr Son of Omer appears in some secondary sources used within the article.

Created by Heidi Pusey BYU (talk). Self-nominated at 23:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Coriantumr (Last Jaredite King); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 20

Long gu

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• ... that in traditional Chinese medicine, fossils are traditionally believed to be the remains of dragons? Source: "They were historically believed, and are traditionally considered, to be the remains of dragons."
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Created by Mychemicalromanceisrealemo (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Long gu; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Y Long enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - maybe, citation template suggests issues.
• Neutral
  : Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - Not really despite a mention in the article.
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I would like to give the benefit of the doubt that the sources do say something related to your fact at least, but I need to be able know whether one of the source specifically states the fact relating to that in the DYK nomination. You'll need to state one source in the nomination that supports it. Also, whatever problem there is that someone placed an issue regarding an unclear citation style, you may need to address that as well. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• @Mychemicalromanceisrealemo: in case you didn't see my review. PrimalMustelid (talk) 20:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mychemicalromanceisrealemo: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Got it. Tryin to make a change :-/ 09:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fred Provo

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• ... that Fred Provo was told he would have to have his arm amputated due to a wound sustained in World War II, but refused, recovered, and went on to play in the National Football League? Source: The Honolulu Advertiser (everything but NFL), Pro-Football-Reference.com (NFL)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mike Shenk
  • Comment: Note that I might not have much time to do QPQs until around November 3/4, hopefully that's alright.

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fred Provo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• BeanieFan11. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The QPQ is very late; if it has not been submitted within seven days, this will be marked for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Sorry, will make sure to do one early tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Completed one. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 21

LEF – For the New Generation

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• ... that the party leader of the new Dutch youth political party LEF – For the New Generation has tattooed his party's program points on his forearm? Source: [8]
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Created by W.G.J. (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/LEF – For the New Generation; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• @W.G.J.: Hi. This article is 1414 characters readable prose size, which does not include bullet points. It needs to be at least 1500, so some further expansion is needed. Would AGF on hook fact in Dutch (the image is compelling to see). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@W.G.J.: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sammi Brie: @Z1720:, I recently expanded the article a little so it should be above the necessary prose size at the moment. 𝕎.𝔾.𝕁. ^{(chat | contribs)} 10:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 22

Buya, Eritrea

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Skull of Madam Buya

• ... that Madam Buya (pictured) is the oldest fossil with human features? Source: Schuster, Angela (1998). "New Skull from Eritrea". archive.archaeology.org. Archived from the original on August 20, 2023. Retrieved 2023-10-21.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Harlem Park Three

Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Buya, Eritrea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

• New enough, long enough, and no evidence of copyvio. The things it says are cited, and the references look credible. I am not 100% on saying it's the oldest fossil with human features, since the source supporting that is from 1998; has anything older been found since? Otherwise I am happy with this. jp×g 01:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @JPxG and Graearms: As well as the age of the source, it doesn't actually support the claim that this is the oldest fossil with human features – it says with comparatively modern human traits, which has a particular meaning in palaeoanthropology. Both claims are anyway so ambiguous as to be impossible to properly verify, and I don't think we can put either on the main page on the basis of a 25 year-old "news brief" in the AIA's outreach magazine. This needs a new hook at the minimum, but I'm also seeing some problems with close paraphrasing of this source:

  • Source: Until this discovery the earliest known fossils bearing comparatively modern human traits were those of a 600,000-year-old H. heidelbergensis from Bodo, Ethiopia

  Article: Prior to this discovery, the earliest known fossil with human traits was a 600,000 year old Homo heidelbergensis skeleton from Bodo, Ethiopia

  • Source: Excavated between 1995 and 1997 by Ernesto Abbate of the Università di Firenze (Florence, Italy) and an international team of paleoanthropologists, the nearly complete cranium of an adult, along with two pelvic fragments and two incisors, was recovered from ancient lake and river sediments deposited within the primarily volcanic Northern Danakil Formation.

  Article: Buya was excavated between 1995 and 1997 by archaeologist Ernesto Abbate working for the University of Florence alongside a team of Eritrean and Italian paleontologists from the National Museum of Eritrea, the Pigorini Museum, and the University of Florence. They unearthed fragments of the skeleton of the Homo erectus fossil Madam Buya. They were found inside ancient river and lake sediments located within the Danakil Depression.

  • Source: According to Abbate and his team, the skull's long ovoid braincase, wide cheekbones, and massive browridge resemble African H. erectus and H. ergaster.

  Article: It has a oval neurocranium, massive brow ridge, and wide cheekbones. These traits are all characteristics of a Homo erectus fossil.

  I think the article needs a more thorough check for copyvio and sourcing issues. – Joe (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]